Will a $700 turntable outperform a CD player?

Before my Nos dac, all other sigma one sounded harsh with unnatural instrument timbre....

Before implementing the controlling methods i use for the mechanical resonance embeddings, the electrical house embeddings, and the most important acoustical room embeddings, all my sigma dac never sound right... 


With a modest NOS dac, Starting point Systems, and all the embeddings under my controls.... Upgrading to a costlier dac never comes to my mind again....This NOS dac kills all my sigma one to oblivion even a well known  good one...

Conclusion: Any piece of electronic component in an audio system cannot be at his S.Q. potential level without these embeddings controls.... This is the lesson in my audio journey.... :)

First, most people dont have the right dac....nor the right analog set-up....

Second, the 3 controlled embeddings (mechanical,electrical,acoustical)are more important for the S.Q. than most electronic components choices unbeknowst to most....And no electronic component manufacturer can insist about these essentials points even if they have the clues or knowledge if they dont want to decrease their sales and pitch marketing practice...

Third, like someone just said, too many factors are involved to decrete some judgment or opinions based on limited experience by almost all people on non-controlled audio embeddings systems....

I pay for a nos dac 24 dollars....The sound is totally holographic and not veiled by digital glare.... Upgrading dont come to my mind you know why?

Because with a good source already the increasing in S.Q. comes more way more from the way you controls the 3 embeddings of the audio system....

I pity those who spend thousand and thousand of dollars for at best a microscope or a " digital sounding dac", mine sound like a tube amplifier with details.... The reason is the dac is good to begins with but the controls of the embeddings very good .... I know because it takes me 2 years of experiments each weeks to go there with the same speakers, dac, and amplifier....The difference is staggering...

No upgrade of dac 2 years ago  at any price would have given me that...... And i will die with the dac  i own now....If i win big money i will buy other speakers but first a tube Berning Zotl amplifier.... :)

Imagine no limits in money and imagine 2 scales beside each other...One with a series if digital tech in price ascending order, and another one with TT in ascending order  of price and tech also....

Which one is the better someone will ask?

It depend of wich one we pick in the 2 scales of ascending order of price and technology to cdompare to...

Those who know the ultimate asnwer are not here on this thread and if they are they are single individual, able to afford the costly test, and nobody will trust them anyway for the result except if listening by himself...

 :)

My friend thanks for your intrerest , i learned only one thing in the last 7 years by my stream of continuous experiments in listenings and with the 3 embeddings: The electronic component you owned are less important than controllings the 3 embeddings: the vibration-resonance mechanical controls, the electric grid of the house and room, the acoustical space with passive but also active methods....

Most people has never experienced that first hand and they think only of upgrading to satisfy their need without paying attention to the many defects linked to an improper controls of these 3 dimensions....

I dont want to repeat what is in my thread " miracles in audio" you can read it or go to my virtual page systems for details.... Dont be fooled by the photos of my systems, the sound is at his maximum potential S.Q..... :)

If you have questions i will anser them on my thread or in private....

cal91
@mahgister...By acoustical embeddings do you mean room treatment? If so, I’d be interested to know what you do. I feel like I should explore this before spending money to change components

What do you do about Electrical grid noise ?

You can bought for example, better power supplies, power conditioner, power cleaner or regulator, power harmonizer, etc

All these are electronic components that introduce noise of their own...They work by some filtration and trade-off operations in some range more than another...

The best they are the more they cost, thousand of dollars easily....

I dont have this money...

I try something for the last years on my own...

I use some minerals to passively filtrate  the electro magnetic grid of my house to decrease the noise level, instead of active electronic components....

My best creation was the "golden plate" which is made of a shungite plate with a side covered with copper tape...The copper side always external to the surface applied on..

I use also other minerals with success...

The noise level of my main electrical noise decrease amazingly...

Low cost solution....

All audio system must be embedded in the electrical grid of the house....

The other embeddings environment are the resonance vibration mechanical embeddings...

The more important is the acoustical embeddings, i treat it not only passively but actively...


The 3 controlled embeddings are the only sure  way for an OPTIMAL use of any audio system...

Cost nothing, except peanuts and all my ideas are implemented with homemade materials or very low cost products...

There is a total mutation in S. Q. from before to after the installation of the controls of the 3 embeddings for my audio system....Like day and night....

Before upgrading your electronic component at high cost, why not listen to their true potential before any move?

«Facts are like anvil they cannot fly on your face» -Groucho Marx

I - Sell what I don't like
  -Buy what works
  -Don't buy cheap,cause I hate selling
I've embedded this strategy

Cheers

Your strategy is approved by my office...

Cheers .... :)

You are very good in sarcasm....can you really think also?

The 3 embeddings is not a dogma, it is an expression, a designation of 3 elementary task to upgrade any audio system.... That gives more change in S.Q. than anything else almost....

Vibrations-resonance problem...

Electrical grid noise level controls....

Acoustical field of the room transforming by passive and active methods....

Amen....

By the way i sell nothing, buy nothing, and do it with cheap material or very low cost electronic components by myself....

Who is deluded then?

The latter being how we arrived at this mess that we have today, one where engineering prettiness (i’s dotted, t’s crossed...) is more important that the reality of human hearing, human hearing --which is not looked at by the specialized people doing the ADC/DAC engineering.

I will gladly second you on that....

But for the eternal analog/digital debate, my point and experience is the 3 embeddings of an audio system contribute way much to the S.Q. than the choice of a dac or a turntable....

But who gives a damn for embedding the audio element where they cost so much in dollars and are state of the art? Almost nobody....I know because the discussions are about vinyl or digital, cables, tube amplifier versus S.S. etc.... All that totally secondary in S.Q. to the rightfully 3 embeddings in a dedicated room....

:)