Why will no other turntable beat the EMT 927?


Having owned many good turntables in my audiophile life I am still wondering why not one of the modern designs of the last 20 years is able to beat the sound qualities of an EMT 927.
New designs may offer some advantages like multiple armboards, more than one motor or additional vibration measurements etc. but regarding the sound quality the EMT is unbeatable!
What is the real reason behind this as the machine is nearly 60 years old, including the pre-versions like the R-80?
thuchan

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This is a quite amusing thread. We all place components into our system and think it is better than the last. II get the impression that the 927 is a great sounding machine, and is exceptional at being bold and musical. It could just be the fact that to your ears, nothing else would float your boat in the same way. We all have hearing that is sensitive to specific aspects of sound - ie. imaging, detail, timing or transparency. I was into imaging and detail, but as time goes by it is timing.
Can I just add that there is a very knowledgeable uk salesman (company name escapes me) he has a Rockport Sirius amongst his collection. He also sells various decks second hand. Of the affordable decks he rates the Townshend and Funk Firm decks ery highly.
Dear Thucan,
Have you ever considered this. All people are created differently. This means that even our hearing is different. 
As we know some people are high frequency sensitive, Others are tone deaf (may explain a lot of mainstream music these days), some are timing sensitive (like me).
As we age our high frequency range gets curtailed, but we tend to better at listening. Other things we were sensitive to such as timing, tone, or image placement, becomes more prominent.
I personally like timing, so I tend to like fast electronics, sealed and/or planer speakers; tone lovers may well go for warm and lush sounding equipment - such as Klimo valves; some loe high resolution so they love DNM for instance.
As a result of all of this, can it be the case that for your ears nothing other than the 927 will float your musical boat?
Sorry to say this but have you considered psychoacoustics here - let's face it - in the UK unless a turntable was made in Scotland, ran a tiny bit fast and was belt driven - then nothing else would do - even an EMT 927 or a Rockport Sirius!

Hi Thucan
Love your audiocirc page. You're clearly a man with comprehensive listening experience (and tastes...)
Whilst not 'on topic' I noticed that you have a Dartzeel Amp. I've heard quite a few Dartzeel amps, and they get rave reviews the world over, but to me - I just don't like their sound. My point being that our tastes reflect our differences in physiology often, and they then manifest themselves in the choices we make.
I've never had a chance to hear an EMT 927, but I have heard restored Garrards and Lenco's and they sound so full of life, and I think they are astonishing. I don't think one ought to limit a belief in the brilliance of a product as a result of age. Caterham 7's are amongst the best track racing cars and they were made in the 60's. The Concorde hasn't been repeated despite being made in the 70's without the computers we have now. A hand made George Daniels watch is still more accurate than a quartz mechanism.
I have a yet to be restored EMT 950 - and it makes nearly all modern super decks look like toys - they have considered and integrated every aspect of the design. Maybe the 927 is like the 'great white shark' evolution never required it to be altered.
There are few true groundbreaking products out there - most new products are sales driven. The 927 was designed to go into stations and not require the EMT engineers going out to fix them. Nowadays things are designed to be fussy, and constantly repaired - maybe a sign o' the times.
Anyway - I am now going to ogle at your website
Caterham 7's were never F1 cars. That said the original Ford GT40 from the 60's was faster around a track than the 00's incarnation.
That's interesting - what iss the belt tack stuff that you use? I have, amongst others, a deck using a thin polyamide belt - that was used due to the fact that it has low energy transferance. Must say that the Denon 103, and tubes a tad over-rated - that said - getting back on track so to speak EMT cartridges are excellent, having heard the VDH, Roksan, and Brinkmann versions.
My simple point with car analogies and comparisons was not by way of comparing cars to hifi in the manner you think, i used cars as an example of where, in many fields of engineering there are designs that defy time with regards to the application of technology to a problem. They exist in cars, watches, civil engineering, medicine - the list goes on. I will add that 40, or even 100 years is nothing in terms of evolutionary history considering the age of the universe...

BTW tom - if you have a high torque motor, and heavy platter - that torque won't be transferred to the platter with a silk thread - a bit like sprinting on ice