Why whole house surge protectors are not enough


TL;DR:

One measure of a surge protector is the clamping voltage. That is, at what voltage does the surge protector actually start to work. Whole house surge protectors are limited to no less than ~ 600 Volts (instantaneous) between a leg and neutral or ground. That’s up to 1,200V if symmetrical.

The best surge protecting strips and conditioners clamp below 200 Volts.

Please keep this in mind when deciding whether or not to use surge protectors at your PC, stereo, TV, etc. in addition to a whole house unit.

I wrote more about this here:

 

https://inatinear.blogspot.com/2021/09/time-for-new-surge-suppression.html

No manufacturer of whole house surge protection claims that their devices alone are enough for sensitive electronics when you check the fine print.

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Showing 4 responses by britamerican

Caelin Gabriel of Shunyata advises the whole house surge suppressor at the breaker box, and no suppressor at the equipment rack and Garth Powell of Audioquest feels strongly for the opposite due to potential RF noise.

That should tell you all you need to know about these two. They don’t know what they are talking about and are giving bad if not financially dangerous advice.

I would say the same thing about the person who wrote this. They either don't know what they are doing or are lying.  I get the impression the UberBUSS is like the BlueCircle and TLP products. Stack as much capacitance across the line as possible, safety be damned!

"UberBUSS is a power filtration unit quite unlike others on the market. It is filtration only. There are no MOVs or other suppression devices to color the neutrality and introduce noise into the circuitry.

 

 

I was only half joking when I wrote "safety be damned".

I would say the same thing about the person who wrote this. They either don't know what they are doing or are lying.  I get the impression the UberBUSS is like the BlueCircle and TLP products. Stack as much capacitance across the line as possible, safety be damned!

Then I came across this for a different product that has their PFC function on whatsbestforum.


 

@britamerican Isn’t there an NEC or UL limit to the amount of capacitance you can put on the AC line, before any primary windings??

If you asked me that 15-20 years ago maybe I would have known the answer. I doubt UL or NEC would ever say the capacitor can only be this big. They will write a bunch of paragraphs that will have the same effect. 5 minutes on Google and I found maximum of 34V after 1 second.

Caelin Gabriel and Shunyata make suppressors for medical gear so I think they're a lot more knowledgeable than most people here.

 

Than most people here is not setting a very high bar but even then I am not sure. They say a lot of dumb stuff.

150 vrms. They use 140v MOV probably. Not doing anything till 240 DC. A big surge is going to be over 400V.  The datasheets don't give a lot of details. 

What's the controversy?  Whole house plus a power bar for surge protection. Seems pretty obvious. MOVs don't do anything to your audio. Crazy to believe they do.