Why the hate for mcintosh amps?


Why dont people,like mcintosh? Who motivates this?

so what are the alternatives??
emergingsoul

Showing 5 responses by campaigner8

Why are so many posts about how much product McIntosh sells annually? Sales volume does not equal quality. If sales equaled quality, we would all own Beats headphones. Beats sells the most headphones, but a $20 set of ear buds outperform any Beats product I’ve ever heard.
—Ninety Minutes with McIntosh and Other Components—
McIntosh has an aura around the brand that screams, “look everybody, I’m a rich and arrogant asshole!” I liken McIntosh buyers to people who buy $300,000 Lamborghinis when they live in New Jersey - or any other place where they get a lot of snow. The sound of a McIntosh amplifier is okay. At just over $18,000 (Canadian dollars), an audio salesperson was trying to get me set up with a McIntosh amp/pre-amp and the CD player to match (price for CD player unknown).  I didn’t love or hate the look of the gear. At $18,000 on sale, they had better sound better than my Bryston amp/pre-amp. Unfortunately, they didn’t come close to the way my Bryston components drive my B & W 802s. More on that in a bit. 
I looked over at a much less expensive set-up. I told my friend/salesperson I wanted to compare the heavyweight Rotel amp/pre-amp and Arcam CD player they had set up already to the McIntosh components. I had him hook up the McIntosh first, and then onto the  Rotel/Arcam mix. He had the        B &W 802 D4 Reference floor standers handy. I asked him if we could audition both sets of components on the B & W speakers. It was a miserably rainy day with little foot traffic, so he obliged my request. I own the same B & W speakers, so I am familiar with their plus and minus nuances. At around $18,000 Canadian, I have found the B & Ws to be well worth the money. I scored a fantastic deal on them two years ago. A  special thanks to my friend who works at our city’s largest high-end audio dealer. 
My friend was certain the McIntosh gear was going to knock me off my feet, leaving me impressed with the great sound. All I can say is that I would put my Bryston amp/pre-amp and CD player up against the McIntosh products any time. The sound went as loud as you would ever want, and the lower end sounded fantastic. The midrange and high end was lacking. I know it wasn’t the speakers, as owning a pair, I know the sound really well.  Then my salesman friend hooked the B & W 802s up to the Rotel and Arcam set-up. At one quarter of the price, I can honestly say that this mix of components sounded excellent. The Rotel and Arcam components were all set up to use balanced cables. Both the Rotel and Arcam had decent DACs. If you are on a moderate budget, buy the Rotel amp/pre-amp for sure. I liked the sound of the Arcam CD player a lot. So, again, if  you are budget conscious, I would consider the CD player too. I wish I had written down all of the models I auditioned. I didn’t, but the Rotel amp was huge with it’s matching pre-amp. It had to weigh close to 50 kgs. All I know is that there have to be a lot of happy Rotel and Arcam owners out there. In all fairness, someone buying the Rotel or Arcam components probably don’t have a good pair of B & W floorstanders. My audio dealer sells a lot of Monitor Audio speakers. He says there is an excellent money spent to sound achieved ratio (his words, not mine). I’m not sure what model they were, but for around $4500, the Monitor Audio speakers would be on my list if I needed a second stereo. If I had a mid-range budget, I would strongly consider buying a pair. 
My overall conclusion to this  90 minute listening session is, components with the most well known names often don’t live up to their reputations. 
sricha20530

I have the same B & W 805 D3 speakers powered by a Bryston amp/preamp setup. My Bryston gear would be in the same price range as your McIntosh components. 
I’m just curious if you feel the the subwoofer was necessary? I auditioned two subwoofers and felt they made the B & W 805s too bass heavy. I was finding myself turning off the sub for most music I listen too. In the end, I didn’t purchase a subwoofer. Do you find you have your subwoofer turned on for most of the music you listen to? I’m not saying you made a mistake buying the subwoofer. I’m just curious. 
sricha20530

Okay, that makes total sense. My listening room is 500 square feet in size. I like as much bass as the musician or band intended. I think our          B & Ws do a decent job reproducing almost anything that we put through them. I like a lot of different genres of music. I’m not big into rap. If a person listened to a lot of rap, the subwoofer would be nice to have. I’ve never owned any McIntosh gear. I wouldn’t be adverse to giving a listen to McIntosh when my Bryston components give in. That is likely a long time down the road. I love my Bryston gear. I would like to hear a comparison of my Bryston setup compared to a comparably priced McIntosh setup. That would be interesting.
phd

We shouldn’t take a post comparing a Parasound ampl to any McIntosh amp too seriously. I know my hearing is 99% perfect. The only reason I had my hearing checked is because I have chronic tinnitus. Tinnitus does not affect your hearing. 
My point being is that half of the population over forty years of age is hearing impaired to some degree. A person who is hearing impaired can’t hear the highs and lows like a person with good hearing can. It is just like many sound engineers are hearing impaired because they have been around bombastic sound most or all of their entire employed life. That accounts why so many recordings are recorded way too loud with the bass and treble ramped up. That also holds true for the person who master’s albums. If they can’t hear the bass, or if it doesn’t sound loud enough, crank up the levels!  
I’ve heard a lot of McIntosh amps in my life. I’ve also heard my share of Parasound  amps. I’m fortunate to have a friend who works at the largest high end audio retailer in our large city. They carry McIntosh, Bryston, Meridian, and less expensive audio equipment such as Arcam, Parasound, and Rotel; on and on. I must admit the Parasound amplifiers give great sound for the money. 
I would think that anyone who thinks that Parasound amplifiers are comparable or better than McIntosh amplifiers are one of the following: 1. Completely delusional
2. Have a hearing impairment and are in dire need of seeing an audiologist, stat! 
That’s my take on his post. Campaigner8