"See ya, Glupson?" Hmmm, where? |
I am not familiar with intricacies of mattress architecture but I do know that some are more comfortable to sleep on than others. I do not have statistics how expensive which one was but more comfortable are worth more to me, regardless of what manufacturer’s cost was. It is on me to decide how much it is worth to me.
Of course we are going around and around in circles. That is the whole point of the circle. It goes around and around.
It is not hard for you to declare victory. You make a premise, support it by skewed/assumed facts, change what I say and say it was what I said, predict what would happen although it rarely has happened in similar scenarios, and judge it all by yourself. How could you lose?
Good news for the rest of us is that those who do not mind paying $70 000 for a speaker cable, still have options.
Bad news for many is that albuterol story is actually true.
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"With less fish in the sea, with 4 or 5-10 wiring companies, there volume would go up instead of being spread around..." Check the price of Albuterol inhalers. Unless something changed recently, there is only three manufacturers in the U.S.A. There used to be a few more. It used to cost $15 or so. |
Well, as much as I actually appreciate Taurus, it is far from the best deal or best bang for the buck for me. It is lacking a few things and has a few too many. I am not making it up, it is really like that. It ends up being similar situation with speakers, cables, etc. By the way, I wonder what a margin on that car was when new. It was surely less than 50000% but it also sold in much higher numbers than any of the speakers ever will. If you build the best-selling car, the game is different than if you build a very rare one. Margins are higher on exotics. Kind of like on $250 000 speakers. |
In case you own a car, is it the best deal or best bang for the buck? |
Huh, I guess I need to emphasize that there is a subtype of people who are not focusing on the "best deal" or "bang for the buck". They are more focused on the final product. I suspect that those who buy very expensive cables fall into this category. |
My post was about the thread that mentioned actual amplifier model. I forgot details but it does exist. Again, it might have not been 5-channel but it was probably not mentioned as the topic was not in that direction.
So, chances are that what you want exist. If it does, why do you care about other things?
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Try to accept the fact that many people have no obsession over margins. Why focus on margins? That is what a manufacturer should do, not a buyer. |
I forgot what thread it was here on audiogon, but people were mentioning what you are asking for. A couple of hundred dollar amplifiers with lots of power and, allegedly, very good sound. It might have not been five channel, though. |
"...and I’m assuming the speaker industry threatened them in to not doing it..."
They got "backlash" from it, and wow...
Remember, it was just your assumption, not the known fact, but you built your case on it. |
"If people wouldn’t pay it, they’d drop to 500%." Every time I tried not to pay for something they did not lower the price. They simply did not give me what I wanted. |
"...high end audio would be available to the $50,000 a year salesman who works 50+ hours a week, and who would love to listen to all the notes of the music, the "way music is supposed to be heard" in terms of notes, etc."
That would depend on his other expenses and disposable income, not on his absolute income. At the same time, there are many audio reproduction items in the lower price ranges and they still sound great. Most of them are. $70 000 speaker cables are rare as are $250 000 speakers. Quite good under-$1000 amplifiers exist together with decent $1500 speakers. I have no idea if that particular salesman would find them "too expensive" or "just right". |
funaudiofun, I do not own an audio company. You can call people idiots, but not everyone can build a speaker in the garage. Many do not even have an interest in doing it to spite someone who is trying to make a living by producing something we can use. "By saying that a garage, tools and waste materials amount to 50,000+% margins?" You forgot the other two, easily the most expensive things I listed. Time and injuries. They are worth whatever someone is willing to pay. For the buyer, it is not about margins, it is about final price. While you are at margins, do you happen to have some info about margins for Celine Trapeze? How about pricier models? You would not even need a garage to try to reproduce it. You could, in theory, do it on the kitchen table. Now, go to your wife, sister, neighbor, and tell her that you will do it for her instead of paying Celine. Let us know the response you get. |
funaudiofun, "If you asked people if they would be willing to get their wiring for 99% off? 99% of people would say the affirmative, H*** Yeah."
"And the fact that people are willing to knock on doors to get these ridiculously priced wiring is the exact fact of why they charge these prices. Because people are willing to do this." So, are they willing to pay ridiculous prices or not? By the way, I did not mention that people are willing to be ripped off and like it. You, again, placed your incorrect interpretation as my words. You may not be willing to accept it, but what you consider a "rip-off" is not what everybody considers a rip-off. Some people just want to buy expensive cables. There is definitely a place for affordable audio in the world. It exists. It is all over the place. Of course, what is "affordable audio" is another question. For some, $70 000 speaker cables are just that. |
Would the market shrink fro. 1,000+ companies to like 5 or 6? Would you really want that? How about shrinking from 5-6 to 1-2? "The cost to build a speaker is cheap..............but the best speakers in the world shouldn’t cost more than $3,500." Did you include the price of a garage, tools, all the wasted material while you are perfecting a skill, time, injuries? For some of us, buying a finished speaker is the cheapest option. Even at whatever price you deem exorbitant. Same for recievers, processors, and amplifiers. On top of that all, what else would people do with their money? Invest to make more that they are not allowed to spend so they do not support the greed of some cable company? Spread the wealth, man. Do not let it concentrate in hands of a select few. Buy cables from different companies. |
If those companies close doors, where would the workers go?
You are working with the premise that people who buy "expensive" cables do not want to pay. Some people do.
Actually, I would bet that nobody who buys such cables minds paying for them. It is not that cable companies are going door to door and are making people buy cables at gunpoint. Buyers come to them.
Just do not buy "expensive" cables and you have done your part in rectifying this horrible injustice in the Universe. At some point, we will all follow and sleazy companies will be out of business. The future is yours although in the present you are a little too radical.
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funaudiofun, "You think a cable sales person is trustworthy?" Being taken advantage of does not depend on some cable salesperson’s trustworthiness. It depends on buyer’s gullibility. Salesperson has relatively little to do with it. Back to your initial question about why people buy what you may consider "expensive cables". Because they often look better than cheap ones. Simply for the looks. |
funaudiofun,
$70 000 cables are an investment with much better return than $350 lattes. Cables are expected to last more than 200 days, assuming you drink just one coffee a day. If you invested in lattes, at the end of those 200 days, you would be left with nothing tangible while you could resell cables for, let’s say, $20 000.
If you ate one $1000 sandwich followed by one $350 latte a day, $70 000 cables would become a bargain even sooner. In less than two months.
Along the way, you may get the satisfaction from knowing you have tried it (almost) all. Kind of like being a tourist and wanting to go to yet another place you have never been to. No real use for it, but people do it every day and brag about it.
Of course it is possible to be taken advantage of if you are rich. I just suspect that it will be done by one’s acquired family members more often than by a cable salesperson.
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"...why pay up to $70,000 for speaker wire?" Just because one can. "How do you guys let yourself taken advantage of?" How often are people who can afford $70 000 speaker cables actually taken advantage of? |
"The good ones are typically worth every cent they charge." The good ones are always worth every cent they charge. However, it is just not that easy to pick the good ones from the bunch. |
