Why pay so much for super high end?


Most speakers costing $50,000+ use Seas, Scan Speak or Accuton.

In DIY forums most speakers designed use bargain drivers and usually are only 2.0 designs not bookshelf or center speakers to complete a surround system.

I’d love to have a Scan Speak 11 speaker system for atmos with 3 way bookshelves, center and floorstanders.

Why aren’t the designs out there and why are you guys pissing away all your money.

Personally I won’t get an upgrade from my speakers unless it’s of this caliber and neither can I afford nor want to donate money to these thieves.

A 3rd party 11 speaker atmos scan Speak system would be nice but I’m not spending $250,000.

Why on earth aren’t there designs out there for this and why do you all piss away your money?

I don’t get why hi fi isn’t all DIY even honest factory direct companies mark up 300%.

Unless you pull in $1+ million a year and don’t have any time I don’t get it.

Are you guys lazy?

Someone easily could design a great crossover and cabinets for everyone and the days of paying over $3,500 for a pair of loud speakers if you got some time or know a friend who could build cabinets would be over. I know of people who could design cabinets that rival $100,000 speakers and cost less than 1% than that.  Someone with some experience could easily design a diamond, beryllium and soft dome and various versions for various tastes.

I don’t get it. Speakers are so simple.  Crossovers cabinets and drivers.

You guys just throw your money away I don’t understand it why?


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Any small gain has a big cost.  This goes for my mastering chain as well.  

No need to judge.  It's just jealousy.  Let other enjoy their life !
I have a little personal anecdote that may be relevant to this discussion. 

Over the summer, I was walking past a quality boutique "hi-end audio" shop and saw through the window a suspiciously familiar-looking pair of speakers in the showroom. 

I walked inside and asked if I could audition them. They had an LP that I had in my own collection that I was very familiar with, I asked that they put it on the turntable and that we listen through some tube equipment. 

After we listened to one track, I asked for the price of the speaker pair. 

As there was no grill cloth over the driver, I could see the driver design. I asked if they were the Altec 604C. The salesperson looked a little taken aback, and so as to avoid the possibility of him stepping further into it I said "because they sure do look exactly like my pair of 604Cs. I see that the cabinet volume is the same as well, although the wood type used here seems different". Nothing exotic, mind you, just birch instead of maple, maybe? So I asked "Could you tell me what would justify this price point?"  He muttered something about the crossover. I asked for specifics, he couldn't provide any, they were "proprietary". I told him that "the 604C was famous for its crappy crossover, but Mastering Labs fixed that. And Great Plains Audio makes a decent crossover for this driver today". 

At this point we have attracted a small crowd, and I conclude. "Well, the proof is in the pudding. I listened to this pair and I am hard-pressed to hear a great difference in their sound compared to mine, but there is a huge difference in price. Whereas mine cost $3,300, your pair here cost $33,000. I could still find the parts on eBay today to build another pair for no more than $4,000 max. 

At that point, I could see that I had worn out my welcome, I said thanks for his time and left, but not before several customers followed me to the door and asked for my contact info. 

I feel very strongly that we need another Haffler building the 2016 version of Dynaco. Far to many so-called audio engineers are less interested in designing audio gear below the point of diminishing returns, and are instead chasing huge dollars in a market that is distorted by the gross income disparity found in society today. Why make quality audio that more people can afford when you can build $600K speakers for a class of people who just don't know any better?

Some here will complain that that most young people prefer to listen to earbuds and don't appreciate hi-end-audio, but it could be that not enough quality equipment at a price point that the plebeian masses can afford is being made that they could appreciate and compare to. 

Regards, 
unreceivedogma 
The price of high end equipment has become
absurd.
I used to be in the game until cables cost more
than a modest house.
Ditto for Audio Note's CDT-5 transport with Fifth Element DAC at $250,000.
People buy this gear because they can. 
Money is meaningless to these folks.
It's like purchasing a $1.2million Audemars Piguet.
They usually no nothing about high end audio.
Their attitude is
"If it costs the most then it must be the best."
Equipment that costs one tenth can sound markedly better, but it's not prestigious.
These folks won't even listen to it.
"What, it's not from the Golmund salon?"
I wish that I had that kind of money but I do have a Cello Palette, Sequerra FM-1, Apogee Full Range speakers, etc. and I'm quite happy.
Crazy money in 1970's-1990's, but obtainable.
Now it has become crazy unattainable except by the super rich.
Same for cars, watches, jets, yachts, 50,000sq
ft homes, jewelry. 
The average Bugatti owner has 8 homes, 40 automobiles, a private jet and helicopter.
Now audio joins that group.
What about a surround sound with the new Wilson Wamm's  (I owned the originals that I got preowned) and Golmund,  FM Acoustics, Audio Note, Nordost Odin stuff.
Enjoy what you have and spend money on LPs
CDs, etc.
Now where's  that super rich person's checkbook?




Coda: I stopped by a month later. He sold the speakers to some poor sucker. 

Why should it matter how someone spends their money? I answered that above: because someone spending $33K when they should be spending $3.3K distorts the market.  
wolf I am going to come to NY and put some carbon fiber in your -------------------------LOL