That’s not gonna work as the central area of the discussion is in a speculated area.
You can’t ask for the end when the complex middle is yet to be filled out.
This is still in the information gathering and hypothesis stage.
Contesting it before the scenario of investigation fleshes itself out (necessarily over time) is anti-scientific, almost designed to dogmatize the whole thing into book learned circular endings. that’s social, and political - as aims and endings in control of people and ideas... and is not science.
A frighteningly common trait of the negative proofing dogmatic mind. it’s generally someone who was not trained as a scientist, but of someone who was trained as an engineer. That’s the area of endeavor of the dogmatic mind and has no place in science. That type of mindset is ok for dealing with engineering or the texts of engineering and of course... building/repeating stuff for people to use, but has nothing to do with real science.
Where science, by definition is the open end of the unknown, unproven and unscripted, the stuff not yet in the texts. Massive, critical, fundamental as differences go. Yet few note it.
Again, the text, the dogma, the evil comparitor...which is for engineers and people catching up, or for makers (the engineers). Texts...are for people who are running down the path to that leading edge, where all the facts in the texts and the record... when that edge is reached..all the dogmatic engineering texts full of facts and formulae.. automatically return to their true reality, which is that of being solely theory. Engineers are trained with facts; the idea of a fact, is a reformation of theory FOR for engineers. Scientists are trained with theory, yet the data set is the same.
The engineering is a builder, the scientist is a searcher. Each is literally trained and informed as such type and such text and mind, separately... by academia - purposely so. Huge difference. Facts end in circular logic and terminate in infinite repetition and is a dead thing (engineering oriented). Theory allows for the new and beginnings - an open world that has a mutable, changeable, infinite future.(science oriented)
That’s how science vs engineering works, basically.
So.. don’t bring a dogmatic engineering negative proofing mind and thought process ---- to a science fight. It is totally bassackwards to do so.
However, it is easy to conflate the two inappropriately as the dogmatic engineering mind necessarily runs throughout our lives in various fundamental ways, due to how the human mind works.
This is definitely a science fight: lots of unknowns, lots of data, and difficulties in finding or knowing even the edges of testing and proofing regimen.
I could even go on to explain how we arrived at this problem, how it developed ..throughout the history and creation of modern academia... but that is another post.
You can’t ask for the end when the complex middle is yet to be filled out.
This is still in the information gathering and hypothesis stage.
Contesting it before the scenario of investigation fleshes itself out (necessarily over time) is anti-scientific, almost designed to dogmatize the whole thing into book learned circular endings. that’s social, and political - as aims and endings in control of people and ideas... and is not science.
A frighteningly common trait of the negative proofing dogmatic mind. it’s generally someone who was not trained as a scientist, but of someone who was trained as an engineer. That’s the area of endeavor of the dogmatic mind and has no place in science. That type of mindset is ok for dealing with engineering or the texts of engineering and of course... building/repeating stuff for people to use, but has nothing to do with real science.
Where science, by definition is the open end of the unknown, unproven and unscripted, the stuff not yet in the texts. Massive, critical, fundamental as differences go. Yet few note it.
Again, the text, the dogma, the evil comparitor...which is for engineers and people catching up, or for makers (the engineers). Texts...are for people who are running down the path to that leading edge, where all the facts in the texts and the record... when that edge is reached..all the dogmatic engineering texts full of facts and formulae.. automatically return to their true reality, which is that of being solely theory. Engineers are trained with facts; the idea of a fact, is a reformation of theory FOR for engineers. Scientists are trained with theory, yet the data set is the same.
The engineering is a builder, the scientist is a searcher. Each is literally trained and informed as such type and such text and mind, separately... by academia - purposely so. Huge difference. Facts end in circular logic and terminate in infinite repetition and is a dead thing (engineering oriented). Theory allows for the new and beginnings - an open world that has a mutable, changeable, infinite future.(science oriented)
That’s how science vs engineering works, basically.
So.. don’t bring a dogmatic engineering negative proofing mind and thought process ---- to a science fight. It is totally bassackwards to do so.
However, it is easy to conflate the two inappropriately as the dogmatic engineering mind necessarily runs throughout our lives in various fundamental ways, due to how the human mind works.
This is definitely a science fight: lots of unknowns, lots of data, and difficulties in finding or knowing even the edges of testing and proofing regimen.
I could even go on to explain how we arrived at this problem, how it developed ..throughout the history and creation of modern academia... but that is another post.