Why Do Schumann Resonators Work?
Tweak versus method Buying a ready made "tweak" and seating after that to listen for the audible effect is what most people in the "tweaking" business do, sellers and consumers alike.... It is not my way.... I dont buy costly ready made "tweak" why ? Not mainly because they are costly, some are not, but because any "tweak" by definition is only a SECONDARY Add-on to the system causing it to improve or not... "Tweaks" dont solve the THREE PRIMARY problems... If we speak about an existing audio system, the PRIMARY problems are related to the primary working dimensions of any audio system: electrical noise floor control and decreasing method and devices, mechanical vibrations controls method and devices, and especially acoustical passive treatment and mechanical active control devices and method... Then a "tweak" is not an experimental set of listenings experiments where we create specific homemade or low cost device solutions... If we dont adress these 3 working dimensions controls by METHOD and spare our time with only money and buy some "tweak" we dont SOLVE the 3 primary problems, especially the acoustical complex one... I never recommend any tweak here, especially costly Schuman generator... I recommend 10 us. bucks chineese one to play with in an experiment... But ionizers and S.G. CANNOT and NEVER will replace a string of listening experiments in acoustic and psycho-acoustic for example...You cvannot solve room problem with a Schuman Generator.... I "sell" creativity at no cost or peanutrs cost not "tweaks".... If someone buy them it is not my fault... I wrote at lenght about my listening experiments about acoustic and vibrations controls for example...NONE of my devices cost more than few cents....The more costly are "secondary" devices like ionizers at 20 bucks and S.G. at 10 bucks... Alleged Snake oiler sellers are always related to snake oiler consumers... I am neither of one... Now a concrete exemple of a specific "tweak" and the difference with a method... For speakers vibration control i read about a "tweak" which consist to place rubber pucks under the speakers... this is a "tweak" that can improve or not the S.Q. But there will be also a possible trade-off with different specfic type of speakers... All puck dont work the exact same results under all type of speakers... My method here first begins with coupling/decoupling sandwiches of 5 different materials under my speakers...I created this sandwich myself at no cost...After that i bought cheap chinese springs boxes and i created a new way to use them with a dyssimetrical compressive force under 2 sets of 4 with each speaker and a heavy fine tuned damping load of concrete for the compressive force all that by listening experiments... The results were astounding....A method could sove optimally at no cost a problem.... A "tweak" cannot...A "tweak" can be a good add-on, or a detrimental one with a trade-off which we are complety unconscious about, because we had not plan any complementary experiments to improve it or discount it...We act without method.... I dont need pucks under my speaker...Not because "tweak" dont work at all , they work, but a more systematical approach focusing on the three PRIMARY problems is more fertile work than just a " plaster" sometimes on an open wound... And using a puck or buying a sophisticated puck system sold like a "tweak" is not the solution for me.... Then if someone TRY a "tweak" like a cheap Schuman generator, it is a playful experiments i suggested here not a solution for the three main primary problems in audio at all.... No tweak replace method and no tweak replace acoustic control.... None.... |
@mahgister.i understand your anger... And i admit to owe you an apology... I apologize sincerely for my post... Indeed you had tried these S.G. and were not experimenting the same thing than me and some others... I understand that because it is not the first modification we must do anyway in our audio system and room like i had repeateadly said and it is not always audible effect on all acoustic settings or systems... Then what is easy to verify in some circonstance is not always repeatable in OTHER circonstances... It is the reason why in all my posts i promote ACOUSTIC treatment and controls FIRST over any other "tweaks" save perhaps vibrations controls and electrical noise floor control.... Then concluding that a cheap S.G. does not work after your experience is not by any means a final word, because it works for many others people... The main reason are linked to the different characteristic of different systems and their specific acoustic environment... For me the effect of the S.G. grid is easy to verify by disconnecting it gradually or completely but is at the same time a perceptible effect tributary also of other acoustics settings in our room... I am sorry for my erroneous post about you where i mistakenly confuse you with a closed mind dogmatist .... You are not one... But clearly a free investigative spirit.... My best to you.... |
LOL they do not work!Your post is not the peak of open mind spirit i read here... Sheeps usually are easy to classify...They always comes in 2 groups... In audio thread: gullible audiophiles and enlightened.... (pick your word) But like already said Groucho Marx: « An enlightened sheep is always a sheep» 🤓 |
Heck mahgister you already are one,Sorry millercarbon you are wrong here... I am in no way an expert in anything...Save the art of reading books... But i have done listening experiments with homemade devices... This does not qualify me in anything... Save the elementary facts i learned about doing this...These elementary facts are the only thing i communicate here... and this could be put in one line: Dont upgrade your gear before embedding it rightfully in his mechanical, electrical and ESPECIALLY acoustical working dimensions... Thanks anyway for your generosity toward me... I just need to set record straight for all readers... |
In this, I found them of some value for limited time, over the long run I’ve not found them beneficial. I have kept my two along with the LPS for them, will continue to insert from time to time in case I make future changes in which they might prove to be of value again.In my experience their perceived "value" is greatly modified increased or erased if the acoustic of the room is not at efficient level of control..... And the effect is system dependent also...In some case they can cause an impression of degradation of the sound, especially if the system is deficient itself...For example harsh high frequencies increase confused with sonic details... The cure is to modify the system or the S.G. Modifying the S.G. is easy with minerals and crystals... ( It is not necessary here to laugh at me) Many people dont perceive any effect from them... Because their system is not at the right level or their room is not under acoustic control...Or the two.... By the way speculating about the cause of this audible effect is not a scientific explanation , even us audiophiles we know that.... |
Not quite good enough to be sure this is how it works, but for sure we found one not so easily crossed off the list. It also cross my mind but you explained it here better than i did... I concur with your hypothesis millercarbon... Add to that explanation the fact that putting a crystal like herkimer diamond or a mineral like shungite on top of the S.Q. may modify the sound.... for the better in my experiment.... |
Can anyone answer that without snark or sarcasm? (yeah, I know, a tough ask on the internet.) I cannot answer your question being in no way a scientist...i apologize for my inability to really help about an explanation... I already described in this thread what i was doing with my S.G. grid ( i own 12) all i know is that these does not degrade the sonic of my gear/room in any way at all... It is easy to verify for me each day.... I begin the day with none of them on... In the afternoon reading near my desk i listen music in nearfield with 3 on or off.... the three most powerful S.G. are on my desk near the gear... 😊 In the evening in regular listening position i switch on all the grid of 12 which are distributed around me... Great difference in the listening nearfield or in regular position which is relative to the number of S.G. on and off , i seach for an acoustic metaphor here, the music is more easily floating toward my ears with them than without them.... The effect is immediate if i switch them on and off, on and off.... What change the sound color though ( for the best) is what i put on the top of the Schuman Genetaror: shungite thin plate with copper on the external side and herkimer diamond on it.... The shuman generator make easier for the sound wave to be catch by the ears...The air between instrument is more sensible and the soundstage is more detailled...It is like the color of my natural sound is more detailed now... I dont know of any rigorous scientific explanation...Nor for the S.G. itself, nor for the additive sound effect of the Shungite+copper and Herkimer diamond.... it is filtering and blocking EFI and RFI ? Probably.... But i guess in the dark.... the only thing i know for sure is it is not a placebo effect mainly.... I lost my only physicist friend...and his world-wide expertise was in electro magnetic field of the brain.. Too bad... My best to you.... |
Anyway i dont think that S.G. work in my audio system by the emission of a very "precise" electro magnetic pulse corresponding to the very EXACT Schumann resonance... Any low pulse or infrasound near 7 hertz will do.... i bought some chinese S.G. for 10 bucks and it is easy to guess how they work, increasing the acoustical listener envelopment factor of sound....They introduce some low pulse in the electrical grid of the room and this help a lot to focus and enhance the "sound impression"...Any low frequencies , infrasound one, will do.... It is my hypothesis.... I am not a scientist.... One thing is certain if i want to use them for a better sleep i will order more costlier and efficient one able to produce a stable exact 7.83 hertz .... But an experiment in audio for 20 bucks will only give fun.... If not, called that "snake oil" and go for the rest of your life clamouring with a "proof" that all audiophiles are idiots.... Is it not worth it to be able to laugh at people for so less money ? 😊 I apologize for my sarcasm.... |
Thanks Geoffkait I get the point.... I presume that my cheap inexact S.G. works my "room acoustic" tough, nevermind being accurate, because they enhance the effect of the stones associated or connected to them... I said so because the effect is very audible.... I am no scientist and never pretend to explain something, just describing my experience.... My best to you... This lowest-frequency (and highest-intensity) mode of the Schumann resonance occurs at a frequency of approximately 4.11 Hz, but this frequency can vary slightly from a variety of factors, such as solar-induced perturbations to the ionosphere, which compresses the upper wall of the closed cavity.[citation needed] The higher resonance modes are spaced at approximately 6.5 Hz intervals,[citation needed] a characteristic attributed to the atmosphere’s spherical geometry. The peaks exhibit a spectral width of approximately 20% on account of the damping of the respective modes in the dissipative cavity.i think that the incaccuracy of my cheap S.G. are perhaps between these 4 Hz and 8 Hz, and perhaps total accuracy (7.83 Hz) is not the only reason to the room acoustic transformation.... |
I have little doubt that the frequency exactitude emission of these cheap S.G. are very poor...Like you said we gain what we pay for usually and not more... But my point is that is not perhaps only the exact Schumann frequency "per se" that had an acoustical effect... But perhaps a little more variable range of frequencies than the exact Schumann frequency... My other point is that in my audio grid these cheap engines work more like emission enhancer apparatus for my stones than Schumann frequency generator " per se".... My best to you and to all, like always and forever... |
The Schumann Generator I use are the cheapest ( 13 dollars) and their impact is not placebos effect … But I am sure than if I had less cleaned system, no treated room, no vibrations methods in place, I would have sense very little impact , probably none like many, and perhaps so little effect that I will not be certain if it is placebo or not.... I am sure that costlier one must be more impactful because more precise, but the upgrading acoustic effect is there with the cheapest, …. I had 6 S.G. and I can listen to the differences each couple made if connected or not... They enhance the stones I use on top of them or under them... And my thin and small "golden" plates are magical over them.... The S.G. act like an acoustic room transformer with none negative effect, on the contrary... My best... |
I even pay less for the S.G., 10 dollars chineese usb one nude bare pcb electronics with no box +a usb cable (Ebay)... They work fine, and you can hear audible effect... It is better to buy 6 S.G. at 60 bucks all in all, to locate them at different spots and height than only one at prohibitive price... The effect distributed at different location is at least equal to the Acoustic Revive pricey one , and is astounding for me, then they work fine...I modified them without fear at this price, but without modification a more atmospherical imaging is immediately noticeable... |
I dont know and I dont think that the cheap version is accurate at 10 bucks all included in the long run.... But listening to them without mods made an audible effect for the better.... And linking then whith stones and crystals way more so.... Then ? where is the risk? I pay 65 bucks all in all for my 5 S.G. 2 with a power supply...The effect is more amazing than any cable upgrade can produce at any price... Or do some cable change completely the global characteristic of the sound and imaging and timbre? |
mkgus OP if you read my thread : https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/miracles-in-audio-by-luck-by-good-choices-by-design-or-by-twe... You will have a beginning, and privately I can happily gives you more information...Here is not the thread about that... Thanks for your interest... But I can described what you must do to begins with... Put a shungite plate with a chunk of tourmaline on the electrical principal panel of your house or if not possible put that on top of your conditioner... This is the first experiment easy to make at cheap cost with great impact... Choose a 300 grams shungite tile and a 200 grams chunk of black tourmaline or in small pieces... The Shungite +tourmaline will act likes a natural filter for the noise level lowering it somehow...After that we will discuss other experiments with other crystals or stones... My best to you... |
A remark: my five S.G. has a light flashing indicating that they are in function, I match them in pair, except one, and the pairs synchronized, the flashing light seems to adjust with one another... For me atmosphere of the room seems transformed by this E.M. Schumann waves, more than that the stones that interacted with a S.G. near him or better connected to him has an effect on the sound quality and it is simple to verify that, if you change the connecting specific stones...For me the S.G. amplified the filtering effect of my crystals and stones and it is very audible...More than that the characteristic of a stone in his acoustical filtering effect of the noise level is different for each stones and this effect audible without the S.G. is amplified by the S.G..... Then there is the piezo-electrical effect, regular or reverse, yes, but there is a particular modality of filtration of the noise level that is different for each stones amplified by the S.G.... For me the S.G. is the most spectacular audiophile product at low cost(chineese usb one) especially linked with crystals and stones... It is better to install 5 small one in a room at different height and location than only a costly one is my guess and experience.... |
