Why Do Cables Matter?

jasonbourne71 91 posts 06-02-2023 at 08:50am  I have never seen speaker wires move no matter how loud I cranked the stereo!

I have never seen viruses no matter how hard I squint 🙄

The ones who can’t hear the difference wage the most ferocious fight. 

I respectfully disagree. From my experience, the most ferocious keyboard warriors / fighters in audio forums are those who don't even listen to music in ANY decent home stereo. Audio forum trolling and fighting IS their hobby

@nonoise : +2

@curtdr :

People need to justify their "chase" and expenditures thereof. Of course your system will sound better to you if you spend $2000 on speaker wire... it has to, or you have to admit your foolery. If your system doesn’t sound right, get different speakers instead of chasing the snake-wires.

What are your speakers?

Just a wild guess, less than $2,000 a pair? If so, who in the right mind would spend $2,000 on speaker wire for speakers costing a few hundred bucks? 
 

‘You crackheads crack me up

@audphile1 : +1. These crackheads crack me up. 

Just try it. Decide for yourself.

This unfortunately has nothing to do with trying. These folks never try anything, they just steer the pot in audio forums. That’s all they do, their reason for being. Feeling appropriate. See the post above mine. You will get the gist of it

@nonoise : +1. Spot on, and, very funny!

cleeds

5,094 posts

06-14-2023 at 10:57am 

tokushi

Specialized speaker cables often incorporate shielding to protect the audio signal from external electromagnetic interference.

I've been at this a long time and have never seen a shielded speaker cable. If they're so common, @tokushi why don't you provide a link to a few?

I am afraid his thesis / write up was AI generated. Otherwise known as a "bot". You are wasting your time.

@donavabdear : and you have been repeatedly told from multiple people in various of your “audiophiles don’t understand “ threads that it’s not about adding “more information “ to the original recordings. It’s about removing as little as possible from it. But it does not appear you WANT to listen. And being so smart (Oscars and Emmys and all those distinguished accomplishments), it sounds to me you don’t want to listen (or read) on purpose. No idea why. Maybe because (going back to your multiple “audiophiles are basically stupid “ threads)?

I’m saying that the audiophile view of cables is not one of science but religion. People on this forum and on YouTube along with salesmen at EXPONA

All I have to say… it’s Axpona. Get a real life dude. You are sick

@knownothing @yoyoyaya @tonywinga : you are wasting your time with this dude. Folks like this are a dime of dozens in the internet. I appreciate that, I have done that many times in the past. It’s an exercise in futility . These folks are all set. You will just waste your time and make you upset.

The Audioquest cables are listed on the PS Audio website under Connections. Just rechecked and yes , the Dragon is listed at $34,100

And so in a thousand other websites, including Amazon. Point is?

I spoke to some of the highest end cable makers at AXPONA this year they all told me the same thing they shrugged and said something like " I don’t know why it woks it just does"

I call this BS. Please tell who was that. This never happens. I am 100% you made this up. Or you never talked to any of the cable manufacturers. Please share names & brands you talked to. I promise I will get to the bottom of this.

You have made the same made up claim before. Time to put names and faces to your claim

Well I can say I believe @yoyoyaya is a recording engineer and he does know what he is talking about.

Are you not a recording engineer of Oscar’s and Amy;s fame? If so, why do you have to drop names of other recording engineers?

listening is generally always stupid because you have no idea what your listening to, liking the sound means nothing, arbitrary

Wow!

The entire foundation of "golden ears" on the audiophile side is ridiculous

Wow! Wow!

Demos are BS

Just Wow!

I've done $200,000,000 dollar movies

Then what are you doing here in a forum with "lowly" stupid audiophiles who don't get it? By the way, if you put the $ (dollar sign) before a number, you don't have to write "dollar" after that number.

I’ve said it before when you’re working with Anthony Hopkins in a movie then have lunch with him

Dropping names again?

And again why is it that audiophiles think they can add any information to the sound with expensive equipment and cables

@donavabdear : how many times do you need to be told the same thing over and over? It’s not about adding information, it’s about loosing as little information as possible. It’s like hitting the head against the wall with you. How many lines at a time can you read? Do you actually read anything other people write, or do you just enjoy yourself talking?

I’m just pointing out logical problems with the audiophile community as a whole.

Yup! Everyone already knows you despise the audiophile community as a whole. So what are trying to accomplish here? In a forum catering to audiophiles. To me, that’s the very definition of trolling

Why is it that audiophiles think that resolution (sample rate) is the same as resolution in pixel rate in vision

I don’t know what to think about this statement of yours on audiophiles. I don’t know whether to laugh, or be outraged by your offensiveness and extreme put down of an entire group of audio enthusiasts 

@cleeds :

Let's cut the nonsense here folks, and get to a simple fact.

What @donavabdear is doing is known as "sealioning."

here's Mirriam-Webster:

'Sealioning' is a form of trolling meant to exhaust the other debate participant with no intention of real discourse.

You nailed it! That's exactly what he is doing. For folks who have been participating in the audio forums for a while, it is actually pretty easy to figure out what individuals like this "bring to the table". Which is nothing but trolling and frustrating other folks who are sincerely trying to learn something, or sharing knowledge, to the point of these folks abandoning the forums for good altogether. It is so sad, but the reality. Majority of the folks I know in this hobby no longer participate in these forums. And I don't blame them. People like these make it toxic.

boxertwin12

24 posts

06-21-2023 at 09:33am 

Those that swear that expensive cables make a difference but have no room treatment are the really blind ones. 

Great and dandy. Can you show us YOUR room treatments? You can post pictures of your audio gear and your listening room here, under "systems". Thanks for sharing

Ppl are not taking their meds today or something

Nope. It's just that anti cable people (or really, anti anything that does not come free or cheap) get very emotional with their online quests and conquests. It's a thing 

@kevn : Great post. Unfortunately, I am afraid you wasted your time. Donna is not going to read it. Too long for him. Besides, he just enjoys himself too much.

First, I am truly glad you haven’t made your mind up, having just started out on your audiophile journey : )

Oh he has made up his mind. Just read one of his “why audiophiles don’t get it” threads, especially the very long one staring the famous Cin Dyment in disguise. His journey is painful. And very frustrating indeed. I feel for him. My guess is, he found it much easier and convenient to troll audiophiles in the internet, rather than working to accomplish anything real with his system. This is NOT about trying and listening. It’s plain vanilla trolling, or, as someone eloquently put it earlier here, sealioning

I have over 70 speakers in my house and 4x dolby atoms systems so new expensive cable would cost a fortune

That’s an insane number of speakers for one single house. I understand your frustration @donavabdear . I agree with you, attempting to cable them all to function independently and simultaneously, including their electronics, will cost a fortune. But I guess helicopters noise from the ceiling sounds good enough for me in my modest 5.1.2 HT, so here is that. I have basic cabling in my lowly HT, I don’t really pay much attention to having a great HT.

My question for you is, out of those 70+ speakers, can you isolate the best two speaker you have (a matching pair) for stereo, 2-channel playback? Perhaps in a dedicated room for two channel audio, with dedicated 2-channel equipment (not multichannel). That should not cost too much in wiring. Only two speakers out of your 70+. Just a wild idea 😱

@donavabdear : having a dedicated room solely for two channel audio is huge. It is a great starting point. Now, in addition to two (matched pair) speakers, you would need the 2-channel equipment. Preferably dedicated to two-channels (stereo), and not multichannel. Amp(s), preamp, DAC, etc. etc. All two channel. And of course, room treatments, which I think you are pretty familiar with and knowledgeable. You can then experiment with cables, ideally with a return policy and no risk trial. There is no substitute to experimenting for yourself. And it is fun. That is if you enjoy experimenting. Not a chore, if it becomes a chore, and frustrating, it’s not worth dealing with. We all do what we enjoy. This is a hobby, not a job.

Enjoy the process, and hopefully the results.

Every time there is a thread on here or another forum containing the word ‘cable’ some collection of theorists join the thread and talk about graphs and what they know about resistance, and many of us have developed sensitive trolling antenna. 

Yup! And cannot blame us. It becomes tiresome. Take a look for example of Jason Bourne trolling in EVERY SINGLE CABLE THREAD. Always the first to reply with 3-4 consecutive posts saying the same thing. Over and over.

Therefore:

... forgive our collective fatigue

This is pretty simple. Two “rules”:

1) Buy only what you can afford

2) Buy what you prefer (after personal experience, listening for yourself)

But I have to say: whoever says a cheap box store $50 pair of speakers sounds just like a $50,000 pair of speakers, or some cheap headphones for 50 years ago… I want to have what you are smoking. Please share. It will save me a bunch of money (maybe for a super duper bike, which I obviously don’t ride 😉🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️)