Who thinks $5K speaker cable really better than generic 14AWG cable?


I recently ordered high end speaker, power amp, and preamp to be installed in couple more weeks. So the next search are interconnect and speaker cable. After challenging the dealer and 3 of my so called audiophile friends, I think the only reason I would buy expensive cable is for its appearance to match with the high end gears but not for sound performance. I personally found out that $5K cable vs $10 cable are no difference, at least not to our ears. Prior to this, I was totally believe that cable makes a difference but not after this and reading few articles online.

Here is how I found out.

After the purchase of my system, I went to another dealer to ask for cable opinion (because the original dealer doesn't carry the brand I want) and once I told him my gears, he suggested me the high end expensive cable ranging from $5 - 10K pair, depending on length. He also suggested the minimum length must be 8-12ft. If longer than 12ft, I should upgrade to even more expensive series. So I challenged him that if he can show me the difference, I would purchase all 7 AQ Redwood cables from him.

It's a blind test and I would connect 3 different cables - 1 is the Audioquest Redwood, 1 is Cardas Audio Clear, and 1 my own generic 14AWG about 7ft. Same gears, same source, same song..... he started saying the first cable sound much better, wide, deep, bla...bla...bla......and second is decently good...bla...bla...bla.. and the last one sounded crappy and bla...bla...bla... BUT THE REALITY, I NEVER CHANGED THE CABLE, its the same 14AWG cable. I didn't disclosed and move on to second test. I told him I connected audioquest redwood but actually 14AWG and he started to praise the sound quality and next one I am connected the 14awg but actually is Redwood and he started to give negative comment. WOW!!!! Just blew me right off.

I did the same test with 3 of my audiophile friends and they all have difference inputs but no one really got it right. Especially the part where I use same generic 14awg cable and they all start to give different feedback!!!

SO WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? OR I AM THE LAST PERSON TO FIND OUT THAT EXPENSIVE CABLE JUST A RIP OFF?
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Showing 11 responses by geoffkait

mitch2
"Hollywood ... audiophile" sounds kind of fun. Where do I sign up?

Apparently you're already signed up. Your picture is on their web site.

Well, obviously there's a lot more to the hobby than plopping down a bunch of money and plugging it all in. That's kind of what separates the Hollywood pretend audiophiles from the real audiophiles.
mapman
Yep straight from the experts mouth....

Gotta walk the walk not just talk the talk in order to really know anything for sure.

Walkmen rule!
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The only thing better than any cables, even super duper cables, are no cables at all, grasshopper. No more speaker cables, no interconnects, no power cords. No more house AC, no fuses, no transformers, no big capacitors, no crossovers, no AC ground, no room treatments. No more teacher’s dirty looks. Look within, grasshopper.

Is the plural of Walkman Walkmans?

An ordinary man has no means of Liberace.
I hate to judge before all the facts are in but we have here is actually nothing more than the old uber skeptics' warhorse logical fallacy, the A Priori Argument. It’s one of the favored illogical arguments for a host of audio related things but especially cables, fuses, wire directionality and controversial tweaks.

The A Priori Argument (Also, Rationalization; Proof Texting.): A corrupt argument from logos, starting with a given, pre-set belief, dogma, doctrine, scripture verse, "fact" or conclusion and then searching for any reasonable or reasonable-sounding argument to rationalize, defend or justify it. Certain ideologues and religious fundamentalists are proud to use this fallacy as their primary method of "reasoning" and some are even honest enough to say so. The opposite of this fallacy is the Taboo. See also "Two Truths."



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Definition: sleepwalking but still capable of being snarky

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mapman
GK I am high end compared to you for sure.

I’ve spent tens of thousands on hifi gear.

How much does your Sony Walkman cost again?

You have a lot of nerve I must say trolling others here about high end. Its a good comedy routine at least.

My goodness, Moops, your strange outburst aside, it appears we have totally different ideas what the High End is. You obviously think your money buys your way into it. Whereas my High End cannot be bought.

A rich audiophile has about as much chance of getting into Audio Nirvana as a camel has of passing through the eye of a needle. - audiophile axiom


mapman
Its abandoning some high end costs, not necessarily high end sound.

shiver me timbers, moops. I did not realize you were in the high end. You really should tell a person these things. Welcome aboard, sailor. It’s getting harder and harder to recognize fellow travelers. Maybe we should wear name tags.

shadorne
If a system is resolving of or highly sensitive to the wires then it is designed incorrectly. I don’t invest in audio gear to hear the wires - I prefer to hear the source music.

do you invest in the internal wires of the component that connect all the electronic parts, the internal speaker wires, the wires of the transformer, the wires in the capacitors, the internal wires in stereo cartridges and tone arms? Why don’t all the high end manufacturers just use coat hangers? Wouldn't that be more profitable?

It all gets very complicated. Results one gets with a particular cable or interconnect are system dependent, and dependent on the composition of the metal conductor, whether it’s silver or copper, the purity of the metal, the dielectric employed, whether it’s stranded or solid core, shielded or unshielded, whether the cables are broken in properly, whether the system under test is broken in properly, whether the system is error free, who is doing the listening, whether the cables/interconnects have been cryogenically treated or not and last but certainly not least whether the cables or interconnects are attached in the proper direction.