Exactly! People who complain about these type threads can easily enough just "opt out" and unfollow any particular discussion. But they don't. They just complain, I suspect, just to demonstrate how "above this" they are. Funny. |
Thanks for the reply, kn. Absolutely concur that if you cannot hear/perceive a positive difference, money is better spent elsewhere.
Best, Bill |
Ha! Ought to save some of that KY for all the folks who bought 4K TVs thinking that they could actually see a difference in resolution at their normal seating distances. |
Nordicnorm said: “I hooked up the Teo ICs between my preamp
and amp. The improvement was dramatic and immediately noticeable. The decay of
notes became much more distinct and individual. I was not prepared for such
huge improvement. It was night & day.” I’d opine that if the new IC’s made a “huge” and “dramatic” and “night
and day” improvement, you must have been using very old, beat-up, falling apart
RCA pairs that were smeared with butter and Cheetoes. An upgrade to expensive wire should make no difference
as long as you were previously using Monoprice quality cables or better. Even those that believe that expensive wire
can make differences mostly agree that the improvements are subtle. Are you by
chance a dealer of these products?
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jmcgrogan2 & dlcockrum:
We disagree on this issue; therefore according to you two, I am an idiot and a pig. Really? |
wgutz: hope you last post was tongue-in-cheek. Assuming you actually believe that the composition of metal is going to change and therefore be "broken in," do you really believe that it takes 2 and a quarter years of non-stop playing to then sound better? Guess those cables would be out of warranty by then.
Heck, play for another two years, they might sound better than better. If I bought them, silver cables, and I listened to my main system for two hours a day every day....well, it would take over 27 years for them to "break in." Little too long for me. |
@ gillatah:
Not sure I get a "burn-in" on cables that were used for three of the past five years. Do they "un-burn" when not in use?
You talked about improvements in
decay, soundstage, clarity, presence, vocal inflection. I don't believe cables/wires/interconnects can "improve" anything in the media. All I think they could possibly do is (maybe) mitigate other outside influences that might interfere with the transmission of the signal from playback source to speakers. And I'd opine that any cables of proper length and impedance will do all that just fine.
I use a mix of WireWorld, Kimber and Monoprice and they all work just fine....none better than the other. And no "burn-in" (a myth) was required. |
Exactly, Geoff...having an opinion, albeit different, and stating that opinion is not arguing.
@ rja: That I believe expensive cabling is filled with myths and borders on a scam is a relavent opinion shared by many...and needs to be in this forum. And it will not go away. |
I agree with goeff. This won't "die" because it is an interesting, compelling subject that needs a forum within which it can be discussed. If anyone here finds this particular thread boring or frustrating, they can use the "Unfollow this Discussion" button at the top of the page. |
cd318: You hafta understand Geoff! He absolutely cannot be wrong....and has an uncanny ability to immediately jump on you and pick apart anything you say on this forum; and demand that you understand you cannot be right if you do not agree with him. Therefore, participation in this forum sometimes can be a frustrating experience. |
You should have spent $5K, wgutz, with that extra two grand expectation, your system would have sounded jaw-droppingly better for sure. |
Funny. Actually it has little to do with the have nots and the haves. It is more aptly about those that have smarts and those that don't. Having money doesn't imply you are smart...how you spend it does. |
Concur on the "bling factor." Sorta like a Rolex. Doesn't tell time any better than a Timex, but sure has plenty of bling. Which raises the question: why does one buy a Rolex watch? To have accurate time readily available or to impress those who view your wrist-worn personal financial statement? |
@ jperry: your buying something that may be "beyond my reach" is evidence that you have more resources than I do. It has nothing to do with whether the purchase is a stupid waste of money or not.
I priced out some Nordost Odin cables for my stereo system at one point and I don't think it included power cords. The price was $137,000.00. That's well "beyond my reach." Thank goodness. I'd hate to have that purchase on my permanent record when I reached the Pearly Gates.
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Moderators are clearly on the side of those who spend money on Audiogon...those who tout the amazing, almost magical, properties of the cables, trinkets, tweaks and overpriced equipment sold here.
I’m routinely called a nay-sayer, bad penny, troll, stupid, idiotic and other names that are meant, in a sophomoric way, to be offensive. I never "report them" as leaving those posts on the record shows those members for what they are.
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grannyring said: "...
without distain, anger, and condeming judgement. Must we revile differing audio experiences and beliefs?"
Calling a spade a spade is not that. |
Well...you know when you pause a CD or up-cue the tonearm on a record and then turn the volume way up? That hiss and other interfering noise that you don't hear at all....it fixes that. |
@ Clearthink: I think I am going to grab my folding currency holder, get in my personal motor transportation device and drive to my nearby retail sound and vision equipment dispensing outlet and see if they actually have something called a "music reproduction system." 😆 |
@chrshanl37 PLUS ONE!
I didn't know Americans had a self-centered view of culture and the world. My day is ruined!! |
What audioman is saying in his post is that if you pay more it, will sound better. Same old snake oil pitch. Yep, I believe he sold this stuff.
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"....don’t let the high end creep into your soul! Once it’s in there your hooked for life:() "
True words. Like in other addictions where rational thought has no place, money is no object in getting a fix. |
Mitch...try not to take Geoff too seriously. He comments on every thread in this forum and, I think endeavors to get his post score to 10,000 by June 15th. Let's see if he can.
Ha! Love the reference to "parlor tricks" and, I agree, most of the tweaks highlighted here are foolishness. Makes you wonder how otherwise intelligent people can be so naive when it comes to audio improvements with no basis in reality.
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In my opinion, the differences in cables (if any - for comparable resistance and length) are very subtle. So subtle that by the time you swap our to a different set your audio memory (the accuracy of which is extremely perishable) will not be able to recall the previous audio parameters sufficiently to note a difference.
The common response to this (from exotic cable makers, retailers and lovers) is that you need to spend more money on better equipment so that you CAN "resolve" the differences. Hogwash!! |
Heck no....lampcord will never look as cool as even the cheaper cables available from Monoprice. Not to mention the colorful garden hose sizes you can buy for mucho $$$$$$. |
" started audio in 1965 ..." "The SP-3 wasn't introduced until 1973. "
Holy Moly...you guys ARE old! How is it possible your hearing is even remotely still good enough to note the subtle differences expensive cables and wire might make??? |
Got news for you dill, I was talking about age related hearing loss not "experimenting."
Over age 64, 30% of you guys suffer hearing loss. Over 74 that goes up to 50%. So much for the ability of a great percentage people that age to be able to pick out the very subtle changes different wiring makes...especially after the time it takes to switch to new wiring (audio memory). |
No need to get all jacked up; just making a point that perhaps some 30 to 50 percent of those here likely, in addition to experiencing expectation bias, couldn't hear differences in exotic cables even if they did exist. My point is based on the fact of age related hearing loss...while most claims regarding wire-related audio improvements are nothing more than suppositions.
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Pretty good with the 'ole Cut and Paste, dill. Please do not ask me to take a vacation from this forum. My comments are not offensive unless, for whatever reason, you are inclined to take them as such. I stand by my opinions and my right to express them. Being 65, you surely should understand that. 🤩🎼 |
Sorry, dill....do not mean to project an air of superiority. I have noted my experience with WireWorld and and Kimber Kables in previous posts. I don't have to continue to waste my money on snake oil products to satisfy those who fall for the scams in order to have "more experience" and a valid counter opinion about these products.
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dill... thanks but I'll use terms of my choosing. Was you last post condescending?
Want my evaluation of WireWorld and Kimber? Go find it. I'll not repeat it to satisfy your curiosity. |
ctsooner:
Wires, cables,etc. make very subtle differences (not necessarily positive) at best and if at all. As soon as you said your wife, without cueing, said she noticed a "huge difference," I knew the rest of your post was BS.
And now we are "burning in" power cords for three weeks. Pray tell me the science behind that tweak?
You are hearing what you want to hear. If you can deceive yourself and that makes you happy, good for you. But please don't make claims you cannot substantiate that will be picked up by other naive and gullable newbees and encourage them to waste their money. |
ctsooner...your post is overly defensive with no new information. As Shakesphere said: "Methinks thou dost protest to much." |
