Who says studio monitors are "cold and analytical"?
Who says studio monitors are "cold and analytical"? Does that mean audiophile speakers are warm/colored and distorted? If Studio Monitors main goal is low distortion, does that mean low distortion is not something audiophiles want? They want what, high distortion? "Pretty" sounding distortion? Or find pretty sounding speakers that make bad recordings sound really good? What is the point of searching out good recordings then? They won't sound as intended on a highly colored distorted speaker!
@kenjit Does make some good points and so does @fair and of course @lonemountain is a real acoustic engineer, great conversation.
The professional system has disturbing pinpoint imaging the speakers are point source and internally powered I’m still not used to the transients and the imaging it is another world. The audiophile system is like a steak with lots of wonderful spices on it, there is no one on this forum of experienced listeners who would rather listen to the same music or movie on the professional system rather than the audiophile system that’s because it sounds more magical and entertaining. The professional system is exactly how I wanted it to sound great with very well recorded music and shows the warts with music and movie that aren’t done as well this is exactly what a studio system should show. The Genelec speakers are very sophisticated for the ultimate reason to show you exactly what you have, audiophile system are designed to sound good.
Professional studios need accurate sound not good sound, what is accurate? I’ve said this in other notes but accurate sound is when you talk with Anthony Hopkins, Tom Cruse, and Jack Nicholson on the set then record their voices while acting and have the producers smile because their voices sound the same in dailies.
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@thespeakerdude I did do some room acoustic programs with both systems, I moved my Lyngdorf 60.2 to be used with the pro system so I could use "Room Perfect", I had to use a program called DADman to allow me to monitor Atmos through the Lyngdorf with the room adjustments and also monitor cleanly through ProTools DigiLink directly with no room correction. It didn’t really make a big difference I have a good room high ceilings and no parallel walls, (that is key). The pro system keeps surprising me all the time when I listen to music especially. The audiophile system has much more expensive speakers and amps and sounds much warmer way way more bass and a much larger sweet spot. The audiophile system has 16 amps the pro system uses all active speakers the dynamics and transients of the pro system are off the charts but then again I don’t listen very loud ever, that’s why I got out of live sound 35 years ago and got into movie sound. I have about 12k watts of power on my audiophile system and only ⅓ of that on the pro system but they are active speakers and very efficient, I think the sub is only 800W where the audiophile subs are each about 2000W or so 3000W peak. I much prefer the audiophile system but now having both system in the same room It makes it very hard to mix because there are 2 very different sounds. I don’t want to mix thinking about my audiophile speakers I have to put on a different had as they say. |
@thespeakerdude Only 1 sub, it is also made by Genelec it was designed to go with their new speakers. This sub is also not like my audiophile subs it doesn't shake the house (I have a big house 12k square feet) it has a much different personality it simply extends the sound downward it isn't it's own wow. The sub is in the corner so it gives enough to produce an effect but nothing like my audiophile subs. This is the quandary and the reason why I put both systems in one room. I can playback the mix on my audiophile system simply to compare my mix to my own reference of movies and music I've listened to on my audiophile system. I think it's the best thing to do to cover myself using such a new system and also me being in a different part of the business for so long (recording not mixing), I need all the help I can get. |
@kenjit Totally understand what you are saying and I agree but I never said the Genelecs didn't sound right. My Genelecs are much more accurate than my Paradigm 9hs and JL subs but the Genelecs don't sound better. These are two different questions and it make me wonder what the right way to mix sound is. Movies are more normalized but within them are many pieces of music, effects, dialog, folly, narration etc. and I don't want my movie to sound like every one else's. Speakers that you use all the time are references, when you hear an actor like Anthony Hopkins on your set of speakers you know how he should sound so your brain pins that sound signature to its walls and thus no matter what system your usually listen to it becomes your reference. Many great songs have been produced with really bad monitors. As audiophiles we must strive to push manufacture not to make more wonderful sounding equipment but more accurate equipment and hopefully the extra flavoring we now put all over our music will be replace with accurate music and sounds in the future. Probably the weakest link in the cain is the way the original acoustics work with the original recording microphones.
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