Who's using Harbeth with tubes, what speaker model and how many watts per channel?


Curious what current consensus is regarding the above question.

Thank you.
joeinid

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@pdreher 

roger m's rm9 is one helluva tube amp, had one long ago, always regretted selling it (though my sore back does not hehehe)... that superb amp has nuance and balls too, one of the few tube amps that can match what the better audio research tube amps can accomplish -- not surprised they do well with the big harbeths!  

rip roger...

harbeths imo do best with solid state due to their desire for strong woofer control/damping factor, so tube amp aficianados are well advised to use tube amps that provide that...  an extended treble response from the amp benefits the speaker too, as they tend to add warmth of the music played through them

@ivanj

Best Harbeth sound from tubes came from a pair of MC 60s my PE upgraded according to scientific principles to take advantage of the wide bandwidth output transformers.

"upgraded according to scientific principles" ...  whaaaa??? please elaborate ... hee hee hee
@jayrossi13

ahhh airtight atm-2 -- what a wonderful piece what a sound

need to get mine out play it again... kt88 magic...

has front panel input thru volume pot too... eliminate the linestage if single sourcing!!!
seems to me ralph that the issue comes from transient response

yes power equals voltage times current, but when much current is needed in a hurry to deliver the bass punch we want, it seems to me that is when tube amps with good transformers, properly leveraged by the tubes, and with a lot of power supply capacity can do better, all other things being equal

i thought it is the nature of semiconductors/transistors that allow them to react faster and also their ability to pass more current without strain or overheating -- once again, given good power supply capability they are gating...

separate question ralph - you make otl amps, how do you handle low impedance loads and are otl’s fundamentally better than transformer coupled tube amps? i think back to my experience in the 90s with fourier otls... man that was quite memorable, those 32 6as7’s lighting up all at once --- wow!!
with respect to which tubes, perhaps i should not have made my prior statement with such ’absolute-ism’ - it obviously depends on your amp and your room

most harbeths are nominally 6 ohms, dropping to just above 4-5 ohms in the bass region

sorry about the typo in my post below - 

should read: 'with respect to which taps on tube amps to use...'
with respect to which tubes, perhaps i should not have made my prior statement with such ’absolute-ism’ - it obviously depends on your amp and your room

most harbeths are nominally 6 ohms, dropping to just above 4-5 ohms in the bass region

my understanding is that tube amps typically have trouble delivering a lot of current (certainly compared to ss amps which happily double their delivered power into 4 ohms vs their standard 8 ohm load specs), thus the care needed in making a tube amp drive loads that are low impedance in nature... furthermore, low impedance is most common and hardest for the tube amp to deal with when it is in the bass region, where cone/motor motion requires the most energy (this current, given a specified voltage level) to produce the strong bass notes

the tube amp in turn uses its output transformers to ’leverage’ the voltage differentials developed by the tube circuit into current flow, thus the lower impedance taps provide more transformer windings aiding the amp do this when called for...

obviously, at the end of the day, the circuit theory and governing concepts need to work in practice... your amps may do just fine driving the little p3’s with its 8 ohm taps... it is worth trying both if your amp has both (my audio research ref 75 amp has 4, 8, 16 ohm taps for instance) - as they say, it is a ’free at home trial’

in my own experience with arc and primaluna tube gear i feel there is little better drive and bass control to my c7's or super 5's at the 4 ohm tap, but a little more sparkle and spotlit nature up top and through the mids at the 8 ohm tap - difference is slight in magnitude, but i believe i do hear it consistently
correct joe

few things to bear in mind w c7’s or super 5’s

harbeths are 6 ohms, dipping to 5 in 100 hz area roughly - need to use 4 ohm taps not 8 ohms on tube amps - very low powered units, single ended, 300b etc etc need not apply unless you are near-fielding

you have decent sized room... i suggest a tube amp with more beef - i have had great luck w primaluna hp, audio research with 4 power tubes per channel, the like... 70-80 wpc range will move and grip the woofers suitably

compact 7 errs on side of warmth, potential bass boom/muddiness, that is why many who want tube sound use tube linestage or dac for that lil bit of magic but let a very good ss amp do the heavy lifting - hegels pass ayre van alstine all excellent

and yes alan shaw is quite the amp-nazi on his forum - hug is a take it or leave it proposition... i chose the latter - he is a good speaker designer but is close minded somewhat intolerant to alternate views to his own

good luck
op needs to be clear, which harbeth, how big a room, how loud to play?

it matters