Who needs a Diamond Cantilever...? 💍


So suddenly, there seems to be a trend for Uber-LOMC cartridges released with Diamond Cantilevers...😱
As if the High-End MC cartridges were not already overpriced....?!
Orofon have released the MC-ANNA-DIAMOND after previously releasing the Limited Edition MC-CENTURY...also with Diamond Cantilever.
Then there’s the KOETSU BLOODSTONE PLATINUM and DYNAVECTOR KARAT 17D2 and ZYX ULTIMATE DIAMOND and probably several more.

But way back in 1980....Sony released a Diamond-Cantilevered version of its fine XL-88 LOMC Cartridge.
Imaginatively....they named this model the XL-88D and, because it was the most expensive phono cartridge in the world (costing 7500DM which was more expensive than a Volkswagen at the time)....Sony, cleverly disguised this rare beast to look EXACTLY like its ’cheap’ brother with its complex hybrid cantilever of "special light metal held by a carbon-fibre pipe both being held again by a rigid aluminium pipe".
The DIAMOND CANTILEVER on the 88D however......was a thing of BEAUTY and technological achievement, being formed from ONE PIECE OF DIAMOND including the stylus 🤯🙏🏽

I’ve owned the XL-88 for many years and recently discovered that it was my best (and favourite) cartridge when mounted in the heavy Fidelity Research S-3 Headshell on the SAEC WE-8000/ST 12" Tonearm around my VICTOR TT-101 TURNTABLE.
Without knowing this in advance.....I would not have been prepared to bid the extraordinary prices (at a Japanese Auction Site) that these rare cartridges keep commanding.
To find one in such STUNNING CONDITION with virtually no visible wear was beyond my expectations 😃

So how does it sound.....?
Is there a difference to the standard XL-88?
Is the Diamond Cantilever worth the huge price differential?
Is the Pope a Catholic....?

This cartridge simply ’blows my mind’...which is hard to do when I’ve had over 80 cartridges on 10 different arms mounted on two different turntables 🤯
As Syntax said on another Thread:-
When you have 2 identical carts, one regular cantilever and the other one with diamond cantilever (Koetsu Stones for example), the one with diamond cantilever shows more details, is a bit sharper in focus and the soundstage is a bit deeper and wider. They can sound a bit more detailed overall with improved dynamics
I’ll leave it at that for the time being. I will soon upload to YouTube, the sound comparisons between the two Sony versions on my HEAR MY CARTRIDGES THREAD.

But now I’ve bought myself a nightmarish scenario.......
There is no replacement stylus for this cartridge!
There is no replacement cantilever for this cartridge!
Each time I play records with it, I am ’killing’ it a bit more 🥴😥
If I knew how long I had left to live......I could program my ’listening sessions’ 🤪
But failing this.....I can’t help but feel slightly uncomfortable listening to this amazing machine.
halcro

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@halcro


I will sell your most prestigious cartridge in your place before it is completely consumed, so you will no longer have worries and anxiety; I would not like to get your tremendous anguish for the days that remain for me to live!  :)

From what you wrote it only improves a bit in all the parameters instead of a lot compared to other cartridges. he he heee :)
  winning an auction for the Victor MC-L1000, another of those classic cartridges

GREAT!!!!!
@halcro I ask if for $ 2000 (crazy expense for a used cartridge but maybe you slipped from hand the keyboard control) you can’t buy a new cartridge that sounds better than the XL88D?
Was the original box and paper provided with the purchase?
@halcro   I have not seen and followed the auction, but were the hours of use declared or was it bought only by viewing photos?
it means if you’re really desperate for something (begging for it)...you can’t be fussy


ahhhaa   I understood LOL
In 40 years of owning over 80 cartridges (both vintage and modern)...I can honestly say NO . """"


perhaps someone in his turntable and system does not find it so marvelous or it could be a cartridge that, in any context, holds the leadership, remains a super queen unchallenged..... in short where everyone agrees.

@best-groove: good to know Daniele can fix it if there’s a problem. I hope it won’t be needed, but thanks for the tip.

Yes and and also @halcro can sleep peacefully and use the XL88D without fear.
In my country Cartridgelab has diamond cantilevers/stylus  for when it will be consumed
How many Victor Direct Couple MC did you fix with him ?

has already solved problems on a Victor MC L1000  that it knows very well.

if you want more information send him an email, I don’t think Daniele has problems telling if the job becomes impossible.
@chakster very interesting article, greats cartridges but with short stylus life.
even with their new top-of-the-line SPU Century......only aluminium cantilevers 👍

From what I read then aluminum is dominant in cantilevers for several expensive and extra expensive cartridges today.

I have to think that other materials like boron, diamond, etc. were they just pleasant experiments to bring prestige to the brand?
now the discussion ended in 'off topic ending up losing all the initial interest.
as a one-piece construction like THIS


haaaa....this is not a single piece of cantilever that connects to the coils but it is a plug!
Will it be a rip-off?
And again ... what does that silver color near the stylus mean?

@halcro beautiful macro photos.
@chakster

Thanks for your interest,  message sent from the audiogon profile. :)



I had SONY PUA-7 tonearm....
@chakster do I still have to keep hoping to get a photocopy for the mounting template from you, or do I have to resign myself to saying bye bye forever?
do I still have any little hope?
More thanks.
@edgewear Daniel can solve if the problems are small but if the problems are big you have to evaluate if it is convenient.
They would fly from your pockets to his hundreds and hundreds of dollars, he himself may suggest not to.He explained to me that over time all those heads could suffer the same problems, dust or small particles that creep between the coils and the magnetic seat, or that the coil holder breaks.The coils are printed on plastic support (pcb) and this suffers from the passage of time.
Daniel would have to rebuild everything from scratch.
If possible keep the vinyls and the underside of the cartridge very clean.
not sure what you are getting at here?

I got confused, I only read the first page without looking at the next and I answered.
I suppose your comment was aimed at the old discussion about Victor MC-L1000.

exactly

I wouldn’t hesitate to call on him when the need arrives.


certainly, all my cartridges and tonearms always go through his hands for a check.
I no longer send to anyone else, he did revive cartridges given for passed off by others that not even Christ with his famous miracles would have succeeded.
Of course, everything has a cost.
The simplest thing to do is to consult some old designers who worked for Sony or Matsushita or others and ask them when at the end of the 70s there was the race between the majors to conquer the supremacy in the r & d of experiments and weights of mobile crews of cartridges as lights as possible, including all research on cantilevers.
There was huge funding at stake for innovation and research, funding that now (and this applies to all brands) is no longer almost more there; currently the manufacturers cannot afford to make a mistake a project.
Baaahhhh.... I read many hypotheses and theories that lead nowhere; but is it so important that it is a matter of life and death to know how important it is or not to have a diamond cantilever rather than anything else?
I have a cartridge with a diamond cantilever but I will not tear my hair or engage in grueling discussions if I had the cantilever in other less noble material.
More music and less mental masturbation would be of absolute importance.
is is very difficult for many of us to audition these cartridges.

Get invited to the house of someone who has a head with a cantilevered diamond and you take away your curiosity.
Today airline tickets are very cheap, it is not impossible to make a trip to go and listen.
After all, there is a reason that both Edgewear and I are stunned by this cartridge


what good is that sphere-like pretuberance located near the cantilever?
@halcro I propose again the unanswered question:

sony XL 88D
what good is that sphere-like pretuberance located near the cantilever?
Modern adhesives are very strong and light. It is easier to align the stylus and keep it aligned while the glue is set by UV

With the gluing system without embed as indicated by Chakster, it is necessary to be very careful in cleaning the stylus with the appropriate cleaning liquids; there is a serious danger of unglue the stylus from the cantilever.
I’m finding this discussion to be rather useless, and therefore, exhausting.

it's fun to philosophize about the theory of nothing.  LoL
When I asked local VdH distributor about rebuild/retip they did not even replied to my request!
Better this way ... maybe you saved your cartridge!

I would never send a cartridge to VDH first of all because he has the habit of signing by engraving with electric pen on the body all the cartridges that pass through his hands without the authorization of the customer and this is very irritating as well as indelibly ruining the virginity of the bodywork, second because in the 80s my brother sent a Nakamichi MC 1000 to replace the stylus and the cantilever and came back with a terrible job, basically a graft with a lump of glue to join the two parts that not even the worst retipped could do; moreover he has pasted personalized stickers on the whole original box and on the front of the cartridge, going to ruin the support if it were necessary to remove them.
I have read of other poorly executed works on the cartridges of the owners who later complained and this made me reflect that not all the cartridges that pass through his hands are perfect; I have several things to write but I prefer to stop here.
No no no I'm sorry ... I don't trust this character at all in the way he works, neither he nor his assistants, probably other owners are more fortunate.
@mijostyn

....and VDH cartridges also very expensive or at the top ordered to the shopkeeper "new" that arrive with the cantilever not in axis or with channels umbalanced .....do we want to discuss quality controls? Bahhhhh.

Better to spread a veil of pity, so as not to write worse.
Certainly not all. VDH fixed around 10-12 non VDH cartridges with success and only on one of them used an easy to take out stiker.

have you checked well with a magnifying glass if he has applied his signature on your cartridges?

Give me the time I take a macro photo on a head that I bought from a friend; my friend (just for a check before sell) have send the Mr. VdH the cartridge and have applied the goddamn signature of him.

At first I did not notice it then inspecting it well I discovered that he had signed this cartridge as well, but by now it was too late and I had already paid.
@rauliruegas

Here look what he did, he ruined an Audioquest AQ 7000 worth over 3000 $ in my country by putting his damn signature on it without authorization.
If I had been in the friend who sent her for a check I would have sued VdH for damages without thinking for a moment; this kind of thing makes me terribly pissed off.

https://i.postimg.cc/PrdMcY9H/P1010882.jpg
Van den hul’s work in my experience ( 35 years ) is superb.

Better this way, it is right that there are also satisfied fans; here I hope that only the lived experiences will be brought back, not the saloon chatter.
He repaired a broken cartridge.

If you didn't want vdh to sign his work, then you should have sent the cartridge back to the manufacturer for repair.

The friend reported that it was sent to VDH just for a simple check as it had stood still in its packaging for years and did not want to have any problems for after sale.
I bought it some time later; I'm not the one who decided to send it to VDH .... I wouldn't send him anything even if he were the only cartridge repairer on the planet.
Scan-Tech made it those Audioquest models under Audioquest very specific targets.

@ rauliruegas  Exactly
whilst Sapphire, Ruby, Diamond and exotic composites make up the numbers.

you are worse than a woman who loves rings with these stones!  ha ha haaa