Which is the best CD-Player up to $ 10k ?


I´m looking for a very good cd-player in the price range up to 10k to be paired with my new Ayon Audio Sunfire single ended tube integrated.

On my short list are Wadia 581SE, Audio Research CD-7, Ayre C-5xe, Esoteric X-01 Ltd. and Audio Aero Prestige SE

Main music preference is classical music, opera, and electronic music.

Speakers are Ayon Audio with ceramic drivers.

Cabelling is all Shunyata Research (but is planned to be exchanged with either Virtual Dynamics or Stealth Audio)

Any input regarding these units is highly appreciated. Thanks fellows !
frankpiet

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Frankpiet, the AMR CD-77 is the real deal. Based on having heard the Wadia 581SE alongside the AMR player in my own system, I think you will find that the AMR player will be at least as good. (Not to take anything away from the Wadia, which is an excellent player in its own right.) I can't comment on the ARC CD-7, as I have not heard it in my own system. I understand that the Playback Designs MP-5 compares favorably with the top CDPs we are discussing here as well, but I have not yet heard that component with my own ears.
Frankpiet, the AMR CDP sounds great through its unbalanced outputs. That's how I am running mine.
Argyro, I have a different perspective on the comparison of the EMM Labs equipment and the AMR CDP. I ran the EMM Labs SE separates for an extended period and then eventually bought the AMR and ran it for comparative listening purposes for several weeks. My benchmark is large scale classical music, and there was no contest in my system with this style of music. The AMR eliminates a certain digital glare that tends to exhibit itself with the EMM Labs gear in peak passages, and, overall, the AMR has a more natural sound with the best ambience retrieval and portrayal of hall space that I have personally experienced with a digital source. YMMV, I suppose.
John, I understand your point, and I don't disagree. The only thing I might add is that I do think it is possible to put together an audio system that is faithful to the sound of live music and that does not require any of the components to do any "smoothing" per se. The notion that an audio system needs to have something in the chain to achieve some masking or smoothing of the sound implies that there is something inherently unmusical, unnatural or flawed with the recording/mastering/pressing process or the software format itself.

I'm not sure that's the case. Personally, I try not to introduce any component into my main system that has the effect of masking or smoothing over anything. Components that mask or smooth things over tend to compromise resolution, clarity and transparency.

As for the AMR CDP and the EMM Labs gear, there seems to be a basic assumption underlying some of the posts here that the EMM Labs gear is inherently more resolving. However, I have not found this to be the case. I have found both the AMR CDP and the EMM Labs separates to be very highly revolving components, and I have not personally found that one has an edge over the other in this area.

I would agree with the general notion that the EMM Labs gear tends to sound more analytical, while the AMR CDP tends to sound more musical. However, I doubt anyone has any real basis to assert that either source is inherently more neutral or more accurate than the other. As some have pointed out, that's a difficult assertion to make since we all lack a reference "neutral" benchmark.

I am very interested in trying the Payback Designs CDP to hear for myself how it stacks up. The advances that have been made in digital playback in recent years are really very encouraging.
John, this is an interesting discussion. I suspect we might be defining the term "smoothing" a bit differently. I took the term to imply a veiling or lack of resolution. However, I sense that you might be using the term to refer to a slight shift of the tonal balance to the warm side of the spectrum.

I would agree that the Jena Labs cables add a dose of warmth. You might have noticed that I have replaced all but one pair of the Jena Labs cables in my system. I will likely replace the one remaining pair of interconnects in the near future.

The darTZeel electronics are more of an enigma to me. They are the only solid state amplification devices I have experienced that preserve the rich harmonics you hear in a live acoustic music event. Are they adding or "coloring" something to achieve that? If so, then that implies that the recording/engineering/pressing/playback process robbed the music of something in the first place in that the end result is music that, to my ears, is more faithful to the live event. Is it possible that most other solid state electronics are the colored components that bleach some of the natural harmonics out of the music? Maybe. I think these are difficult questions to answer due to the lack of a reference point.

Mrtennis, I agree that "analytical" does not equal "accurate." I chose my words carefully in my earlier post. I should also emphasize that, while I find the EMM Labs gear to be more analytical than the AMR gear, I have found the EMM Labs gear to be among the least offensive in this regard. There are a lot of high end digital sources out there that are more analytical sounding (which, to me, means less natural and less organic sounding) than the EMM Labs equipment.

Mrtennis, to respond to your question, I do find that the AMR CDP has greater timbral accuracy than the EMM Labs gear. By comparison, the EMM Labs gear exhibits a bit of digital glare and a bit of a processed, unnatural sound in fortissimo passages, has slightly overripe bass, and has a bit of a hyped "in-your face" presentation. The AMR CDP does the best job I have ever heard from a digital source in the reproduction of massed strings. It gets all the sweetness, textures and wood resonances that you hear in a live orchestral performance. I have not yet personally experienced another digital source that manages to reproduce massed strings with this degree of timbral accuracy.

That being said, I think the EMM Labs gear is among the best digital sources available. I'm being very critical in picking apart one of the top performers in a field of digital sources that, in my opinion, all still have a long way to go to match the performance of a top-flight analog rig. Prior to hearing the AMR CDP, I accepted the digital glare/hardness in peak orchestral passages as an inherent weakness of the digital format. I could not detect the other shortcomings I mentioned until I was able to conduct a direct comparison with the AMR CDP.

I hope to have the Playback Designs CDP in for comparison within the next week or so. My evaluation will center on classical music, which probably comprises about 80% of my listening and which I regard as the most challenging style of music to accurately reproduce (particularly large scale works involvoing a full orchestra). Dcstep, the guy who sent his AMR packing made his evaluation using exclusively rock and R&B recordings, which leads me to wonder whether there might be a different outcome to the extent the evaluation is done based on acoustic music. I should have the basis to judge for myself soon...
That's right, Audiohifila, the AMR cannot play SACDs. However, with hybrid discs, I prefer by a wide margin the sound of the AMR playing back the PCM layer to the sound of the EMM Labs SE separates playng back the SACD layer. Since nearly all my SACDs are hybrid discs, it was an easy decision for me to go back to a digital source without SACD capabilities.

Nonetheless, once the Playback Designs player arrives, I guess I'll be back in the SACD game...