Where can I get RAM super low noise tubes?


I am trying to retube my ARC SP3C with super low noise RAM 12Ax7s. The pre requires 8 tubes. All eight tubes do not have to be super low noise. Currently the cost is $60 a tube. Is there anywhere that I can get these tubes cheaper?
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Don't know what specific brand of tubes that RAM relabeled and sold as their own, but when my Dad put them into his preamp, the upper mids became very hard, "glassy" and brittle and the bass turned to a bloated thud. This "tube upgrade" took his pretty decent sounding system and turned it into a mess. Obviously, different components and different tubes might have various effects in various systems. Tubes almost offer TOO many variables sometimes. Sean
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Roger, thanks for dropping in. It is a pleasure having someone of your caliber joining the conversation. I hope you don't mind me asking you a few questions and throwing a few comments / observations your way while we have your attention.

Even with checking tubes for noise levels, gain matching, etc... how do you account for variables in sonics from tube to tube and brand to brand ? Obviously, not every tube, even though they might have come out of the same batch and production run, will sound or measure the same. That is why i stated that tubes "almost offer TOO many variables", even amongst the same brand.

I know that people that work on / design gear for a living tend to look at things like this as kind of a science. I also know that the many years of experience have taught you a LOT of the "in's and out's" of what to look for. None the less, i still think that it is almost impossible to know exactly what tube will work best in a component in a specific system without actually trying them out. Obviously, the work that you do somewhat "pre-qualifies" the tubes in that they are not "junk" or "noisy", but that does not specifically tell anyone what sonics they might possess in a specific piece of gear.

As you know, changing just a few of the operating points within the curve can DRASTICALLY alter both the readings and sonics that you get out of a device. This is true of either tube or solid state devices. As such, how do you select the specific settings that you choose to use when testing tubes ? How applicable are those results on a somewhat "universal" basis ? Sean
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Roger has been responsible for a LOT of very good designs and products. Anyone that has read IAR from the beginning knows his name and would recognize the influence that he's had on the industry as a whole. Let's hope he pops back in and shares some of his knowledge and experience. Sean
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Roger, THANK YOU for responding. You have at the very least acknowledged and answered many of my questions. While i have nowhere near the experience or knowledge that you do, it is good to see that many of my thoughts and findings parallel yours.

I see that you find most of the differences in tubes to be due to poor circuit stability. I can see and agree with that ( to a point ). I also noticed that you did mention variances with tubes, especially from manufacturer to manufacturer. Like anything else, I guess that this is to be expected.

As to knowing what one likes in a tube or finding out what to look for or request, i guess that this would vary somewhat from component to component. As such, we are still somewhat stuck with doing quite a bit of trial and error. I would think that, and you acknowledged this, everything hinges on one MAJOR variable. That would be the knowledge and understanding level of the engineer that built the product.

Once one was able to find out the specifics of what they preferred for that component, the service that you offer should come as a GREAT benefit to the consumer. Do you offer "suggestions" to customers as what you think might work best for them ? I do have some tube gear but am FAR from being knowledgable about various brands, production runs, etc...

Having someone that is both a VERY knowledgeable designer and "experienced tube tester" to help us along would make a lot of our lives far more simpler and possibly even less expensive in the long run. Sean
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