When will there be decent classical music recordings?


With "pop" music the recordings are such that you can hear the rasp of the guitar string, the echo of the piano, the tingle of the percussion ... and so on .... and in surround sound.
Surround sound is brilliant in picking out different instruments that would otherwise have been "lost" or merged with the other sounds.
Someone will say well that is not how you listen at a concert, but that is just archaic. As a friend said many years ago to me ... whats wrong with mono?!
I am sure Beethoven or whomever would have been excited if they could have presented their music in effectively another dimension.
I have yet to come across any classical recording that grabs me in the way it should, or could. Do they operate in a parallel universe musicwise?
I used to play in an orchestra so I am always looking out for the "extra"  presence in music ... in amongst it, not just watching and listening from a distance


tatyana69

Showing 3 responses by almarg

Be careful what you wish for.

In the case of a classical symphony orchestra, to present the kind of detail you appear to be looking for a recording would likely have to be made with dozens of microphones spaced throughout the orchestra and placed close to the performers, with the outputs of those mics recorded on dozens of tracks, with those tracks being subsequently mixed and extensively processed on elaborate electronic consoles. Many such recordings have been issued over the years, on various labels including DG that was mentioned, and in addition to sounding nothing like what is heard in a concert hall they generally sound awful IMO/IME.

The best and most realistic recordings, such as the early Mercury recordings Geoff rightly suggested, as well as many early recordings from RCA and Decca, as well as many recordings or reissues on audiophile-oriented labels such as Chesky, Telarc, Reference Recordings, etc. were recorded with "purist" techniques using a minimal number of microphones (often just two or three), and were engineered with minimal electronic post-processing.

Regards,
-- Al
I find that most classical recordings deliver more detail, particularly for higher frequencies, than I hear in actual concerts.... Most recordings are made to sound vibrant and alive by kicking up the top end just a little bit more than natural, but, I sort of like this when I am listening at home.
As you most likely realize, Larry, that will happen to a significant degree even if no electronic equalization is applied during the engineering of the recording, since even if just two or three mics are utilized those mics will usually be positioned closer to the performers than most of the seats in a concert hall. And as distance increases treble frequencies attenuate more rapidly in air than lower frequencies.

Best regards,
-- Al

I agree that a larger room may be helpful to the OP, but not for the reasons that seem to be implied in the recent posts.  The OP is looking for more detail than most classical recordings provide, corresponding to a very close-up perspective on the instruments.  An increase in ambience would seem to work in the opposite direction.

Everything else being equal, a larger room will tend to lessen the effects of room reflections, that may tend to smear the detail the OP is looking for.  That potential benefit will occur due to a reduction in the amplitude of room reflections as perceived at the listening position, and also as a result of the increase in delay time between the arrivals of direct and reflected sound.

Also, the lessened effects of a larger room would presumably tend to allow the ambience that has been captured on the recording to be more accurately revealed.  Although in general hall ambience can be expected to be captured to the greatest degree and with the most accuracy on recordings that are produced with a minimal number of microphones and with minimal post-processing.  Which as has been said by me and others will tend to result in the most realistic reproduction of a concert hall experience, but is not what the OP is looking for.

Regards,
-- Al