When rap came out 30 years ago I thought it was just a fad

Now it seems like it dominates the music industry, movies and fashion. My only question is why?

taters01-01-2016 3:19am

Showing 6 responses by garebear

garebear Details Discussions Posts This discussion Message User 1,178 posts 01-07-2016 at 05:58pm Copy Comment URL Report Comment Edit Delete " it is now just real crap / by thugs .....with one step in and out of prison '' It NEVER was any good and 30 years from now ...no 5 years from now, do you think that you will be listening to any of the, for a lack of any better words ; songs that are being played now ???? I think not - can't say that about ' Miles Davis, Frank Sinatra , Louis Armstrong, Ray Charles, The Allman Brothers, The Band, The Beatles ...that list goes on. I am amazed that crap is still around
garebear Details Discussions Posts This discussion Message User 1,178 posts 01-07-2016 at 07:01pm Copy Comment URL Report Comment Edit Delete "" ohhh okay I am one that's ignorant..... tell me one artist then Mr. Savat who will be relevant in say 5 years and not in prison or broke " Give me a break ...the ignorant ones are the ones who actually but that crap
garebear Details Discussions Posts This discussion Message User 1,178 posts 01-07-2016 at 09:40pm Copy Comment URL Report Comment Edit Delete ".....no problem anytime ''....... I get the point as well as understand that music is unique and appreciated differently by all people .........I personally happen to enjoy all classical, jazz, rock...and especially the old '' Delta '' and Chicago Blues artists ......although rap has unfortunately been around longer hat it should have ever been, in my opinion has essentially ; '' dummied down '' America with the thug mentality along with the degradation of woman as objects and songs that really - what is the point of them ?? Have you actually watched the video's of some of these, really .......if have you have seen one you have seen them all ......that's musical , artistic creativity ? I think not ......'' But dismissing it with a disdainful wave of the hand is simply ignorant ''......... I took offense to that comment because as music lover, student of music as well as a so -so musician, I took the rime to try and understand that medium ....... I do NOT se any substance with it. I will add that according to you ......that anyone who does not appreciate say ; Monet, Degas or Picasso as painters would also be considered '' ignorant '' by your comment and also probably not provide you with a ; '' clear, unvarnished confirmation ''.........
garebear Details Discussions Posts This discussion Message User 1,178 posts 01-07-2016 at 11:43pm Copy Comment URL Report Comment Edit Delete Then Mr Whipsaw - you seem to want to carry the cross to promote the idea / concept that rap music does have a ; '' political as well as a sociological importance '' in today's society. Okay, then please do enlighten me as well as maybe some of the other members here on what artists you think have that significance. I am sure that in some circles these particular artists that you speak of, may be discussed as often as say : Bob Dylan , Peter Seger, Woody Guthrie as well as a Sam Cooke on promoting a specific cause or enlightening us on the promotion of individual rights and liberties. I just named a few who came to my mind right away ......as I will listen to them as a student of different musical approaches and not because I was called ignorant - because I won't listen to that medium. That was very a condescending comment - so prove me wrong that there are artists who are relevant in todays; society and who actually have talent .......and please do not tell me Kayne West !!!!!
garebear Details Discussions Posts This discussion Message User 1,178 posts 01-08-2016 at 01:44am Copy Comment URL Report Comment Edit Delete Thank you Mr. Whipsaw - and I really don't quote understand your attitude here as I am trying to learn something and share some thoughts. You seem to be a very opinionated individual and assume a lot about me and my musical tastes and interest. Yes, it does seem I happened to miss in one of you diatribes on the artist(s) you had mentioned that I might want to listen to....so you can relax a little as well as lose the combative position as I am trying to learn a little something here in which you seem to be very uncomfortable with. You pointed out on what I should listen to, but you never mentioned if you have ever listened to the artists that I have mentioned here in my thread or maybe you ; '' I guess ; '' You either didn’t read my post(s) carefully, or ignored them '' to quote you. So Mr. Whipsaw - have you ever listened to them in order to expand your tastes as I am trying to do or has your myopic view clouded your research on them ??? I have heard and listened to Gill Scot Heron and enjoyed his work, but if you need constant affirmation on your comments of what is considered '' good music '' by your standards you may need to look elsewhere than this site. Herron's work is very good but I guessed that I just never looked at that as rap .......I have listened to 2Pac and Jay-z and they are good and actually had a message......a message that unfortunately I could not be part of nor will I ever understand or know and much less, ever experience..... the life of inner city blacks. Instead of being combative - that viewpoint should have been expressed as I would have least understood more of what you were trying to say - and not use someone else's '' paper'' to support your opinion.......So, then I guess I never will understand that music or it's message, however, I will continue to listen to possibly gain a little more insight. But I will never condone the violence it promotes, the objectivity of women or lack morals that seems to promote - along with a very distorted value system. Now .... I have seen Lames Brown and BB King ( to name a few more ) many times - and they have what the others do not have - CLASS !
garebear Details Discussions Posts This discussion Message User 1,178 posts 01-08-2016 at 12:14pm Copy Comment URL Report Comment Edit Delete Mr. Whipsaw - thank you for your response but I did not think for one minute that that I was being ; '' challenged '' by you. Nor did I soften my opinion or point of view as a result of your comments about what I think of rap music. That form of ''music'' will unfortunately will stay around, but will not have the same sustainability as the artists that I have mentioned. The point ; The Beatles catalog can now be '' streamed '' and was welcomed with great success.....50 years later ! I will not be around, but I highly doubt that ; Public Enemy, NWA will have THAT same kind of public reception or success in 50 years. I do see any dissonance in that comment. If you did take the time to read my original post or listen to the artists that I have mentioned, that has been my point all along. I hope to god that you or others do not place the ; 2pacs and Jay-z of the world in the same category as the ; James Browns, The BB Kings, Miles Davis or the Bob Dylans of the world etc.......as that would be an even bigger issue. "That music'' is an art form as I said and get it - but I will still stand by the point that it in no way does it compare to the true artists and musicians whose music has stood the very test of time and whose music will always be there for us to listen to and enjoy.

More to discover