Hoover sucked, and, ...... oops, wrong blog |
digital filtering - I still say blah! |
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Detlof, You have earned your place in the top sixteen. :) |
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I can't stand CD players, save for the few non-oversamplers out there. They sound beautiful and natural. On the other hand, I will never suffer those vinyl anxiety fits ever again. |
Kijanki, you just can't compare the sampling circuits of OS CDP's and class D. I have both. Every digital filtered CDP tried in this system failed miserably, including modified state of the art SACD players. All suffered from the same tightening of the stage, truncated decay, and lack of natural sonics. My NOS DAC is frightfully better. All witnesses concurred. One fellow , who witnessed his Modright Sony SACD's pinned by my humble DAC, went right out and bought an AMC CD-77 with variable filtering on the fly. |
Alberporter, I would not listen to the Denon, unless it was an APL, and then only briefly. As for Sony, or Pioneer Elite, no thank you.
In my system NOS digital reigns supreme, and I would not change it for all the vinyl rigs in the world.
Here, oversampling just ruins the signal, and makes music sound unlistenable. There should be no surprise. There is no way a device can cull distortion from a stream of complex waves without leaving damaged signal waves behind. Most systems are too dull to reveal this phenomenon.
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Albertporter, There is nothing soft sounding about my system. It can whack an attack, sear a violin, and bloom a sax. AN, or any other NOS player is the perfect mate to Class D, and I might add SET systems.
You should hear the convincing live volume Grand here. |
But digital recording does not sound harsh, players do. |
Mapman, My opinion? Both tubes and SS suck - see, it ain't so simple there either. ar ar |
Redbook CDs can range from spectacular to unlistenable with some too boring. |
Albertporter,
My system won't like any cable with more than a whisper of dielectric. :-)
My Audio Note with important diode change, and 47 Lab Flatfish feeding it will change your mind. |
The laser tracking unit is outsourced to be sure. It is in it's implementation where the fruits of success is heard. |
Albertporter, nothing would make me happier to have you living close by. |
Oh, sorry, Aplhifi, that is something I plan on trying, computer fed music. It is not as easy as I hoped. The USB interface provided for AN is not well liked. |
The 47 Lab Flatfish transport is house made. It is a top loader rigidly supported. The sound feeding my DAC is as pure as the driven snow. I share your thought on simplicity. |
Aplhifi, I have, "Rachmaninoff Symphonic Dances." We just have to agree to disagree. I happen to love record playing and all it's rituals.
Remastered CDs sound derived from master tapes are the best too! |
Nilthepill Thanks for the testimony from yet another satisfied NOS player owner. |
Aplhifi,
Happy Christmas to you too!!! Time to spin some Chanticleer Christmas. Oh boy!!!! |
My listening room was built more than a 100 years ago. Showing good foresight, they built my listening room with perfection in mind. The room is big and high, and with a symmetrical speaker wall.
So, without giving further ado, the correct answer is.......
No. 1 |
I will second Frank's last post. |
In reading a self description of PS Perfectwave, I read the astonishing statement, the CD is not a digital medium, it is analog. Go figure. |
The trouble with the PS Perfectwave, that they did their best devising a chip that interprets the CD content into digital, 1,s and 0s. The 47 Lab transport reads the CD like it is and my AN DAC brings it to living music. |
My ribbon speaker cable is .003" thick. What travels through them has to be very very small. The powerful deep bass licks make that hard to visualize. I have read the music signal travels near the speed of light and is comprised of properties pertaining to both wave and particle.
Now, the 1,s and 0,s can be moved about, or preserved accurately enough by engineers. It is when they start fooling with the signal that ruins things. At least that has been my experience listening to my system.
We can agree the signal is not a neat sine wave, or square wave. We have seen our best, poor as that being, measure of what a music wave may look like. I think that look is a far cry from the true three dimensional complexity music waves are really comprised of.
I just wonder how on earth engineers think they can cull distortion from the body of the speed of light music without affecting the subtleties of the music itself? How is distortion plied away from that complex bundle of pulses without disrupting it's flow? Quantum Physics says no way. My system proves it.
Producing music by interpolation of 1's and 0's is not a perfect thing. Winding a diamond stylus mechanically along a soft groove is not a perfect system either. I don't care how limber the cartridge is, a high magnification should prove the marriage is microscopically a clumsy and dirty affair. Despite deficiencies, both really can be immensely pleasing to the ear.
It has been said time and time again, industry does not care about our angels on a pinhead discussion. We audiophiles are too tiny a minority for them to do the things that try to satisfy our cravings. No matter. The deeper I peer into 16 bit, the more amazed I am just what subtleties those bits encompass.
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""""It is clear how much in-love you are with your transport, and I appreciate that, but have you seen how a top-line Esoteric VRDS-NEO compares to the "outsourced" transports you are talking about? Take a close look at this here. The "outsourced transports" are on the left. Please note that the shiny disk you see on the picture is a Magnesium clamper that is not only a clamper but the actual spindle motor. In other words, it clamps and spins the disc at the same time."""""
Aplhifi,
Ok, I looked and was unimpressed. As I said, the Flatfish is an outstanding performer. All the heavy armor never did any good against the fleet of hoof power hitting Mongols. All the heavy mass CD spinners with whatever clamps cannot make any ground against the short path simplest parts Flatfish.
The reason is, the answer is in the 47 Lab philosophy, "Only the simplest can accomplish the most complex." |
