When and how did you, if at all, realize vinyl is better?

The question is not yet complete, so we will likely not find the correct answer.

We are not finished defining the psychoacoustics of how the ear works - what the ear expects and needs to enable it to decode and identify a quality signal.

Engineering terms and weighting does not specifically or directly apply in perfection. That would be an assumption by those who use engineering terms, methods and weighting when measuring and comparing signal creation and reproduction methods.

However the generalization is strong.

That the ear does not use math, it uses a specific methodology in a physical realm.

Then we have the differences in each individual's physical aspects and their personal neural development and employment, as a genetic and upbringing scenario.

So we get to having different emphasis in desires and exceptions in those physical biological scenarios.

In that (the human biological package), the generalization is strong.

But both are not detailed specific related aspects, they are generalizations... and are laid on top of the scenario as if they are the perfected fundamentals of the question or equation.

Since the question obviously remains unanswered in a way clear enough for all involved, they are obviously not the specifics of a totally functional question.

Industry wise, source wise, we’re looking at the takeover of the market by the one hit wonder.

A one hit wonder that will likely become a multimillionare overnight from said one hit.

The current leaderboard example of this coming trait, is in that most wired of countries, Korea. It is PSY, with ’Gangnam Style’.

Politics, business, and anything else you care to mention will move in the same direction. We’re seeing it happen now.

As the physical basis of memory and recollection in the masses is decreased to zero, their societal and cultural anchor points will be loosened and they can be changed (slowly) into whatever is of the will of the hands at the given controls.

Humanity will begin shifting fast in the next few decades. The question is into what. The physical mechanism of life in humans cannot change all that fast but the clothes of society and culture can change fairly quickly, in comparison. We now know, in recent work gone public (there is likely considerable work that may not be public) from multiple branches of medicine and similar areas (ie, genetics) that humans can change their genes fairly quickly and it is possible and in every person, that some minimum change in genetics can and does happen in the single lived life. Never mind that of passed on generational changes. So a careful manipulation of a society in a state of impermanence, ie a life in digital reflection, can and will inform genetics. It is our history that prevents this or slows it from occurring as quickly as it is truly capable of.

It’s like having the only copy of a program in active memory. If systems crash or mods and alterations fail or cause grief, there’s nothing left to recover. In such a scenario, the back-up is the physical reality of the physicality of the genotype in action. Which, at the given time, may not have a functional overlay in the thrust of the given society and culture.

This coming scenario, planned or not... will be taken advantage of by interested groups. Splits in humanity, or separations in to groupings that did not previously exist, may be the new norm. 500 years from now, we may have a new form of separation of genotypes that is so pronounced that it is easily recognizable and labelled. New science says it is not only possible and that minimal forms of it have always been happening, albeit in an atmosphere of noise so great that it levels out to moving toward a near zero. A micro upward trend, in some given direction. What we call evolution in an atmosphere of complexity.

The coming fluid or greased societies and cultures of a truly digital age, will allow for this phenomena to emerge in a more obvious fashion. The alpha-beta-delta-gamma nightmare, in it’s genesis point, possibly.

If those groups (of manipulators of scenarios) be nationalized, expect a nightmare of conflict, as the given manipulators, being humans, will make mistakes in their assessments of what they desire -and what they do.

Your records and CD’s going missing are only a small component of the signs of what is to come. They are a critical one, as they are about human desires and emotions, in the flow of life. Which are core components of human life. These sort of components (emotions and desires) are a core point in the how and why of those given genetic changes over time and in the given lifetime. It is most pronounced in the changes of the sperm of the male, at the time of fertilization. The male and it's life stresses and conditions prior to and in the production of sperm... are what enables these the most pronounced of these noted changes. That your stresses in life, at the moment of conception, informs your child's genetics. The past -70-100 years of conflict in the middle east serves as a potential example of how this works. There are other areas of the world that can show this effect, but the current one on most people's minds -who may be reading this- is of the Middle east. Baby boomers from war zones were actually the test bed that illustrated the genetic changes in sperm - as a reality.

So it becomes and audiophile (mostly male) scenario and question, to at least a small degree. Know what you are living through. Know what you are witnessing.

Music has always been that of living memory, so it is somewhat immune, in some ways, regarding manipulation. But digital overlays, a VR overlay of a sort, is a thing we are undergoing regarding this ’memory over time’ aspect of electronic music and the scenario surrounding it.

No answers here, just a logical expansion of the questions into their true space or envelope of connectivity in the overall human scenario.

I’m not an expert in the technical language or the exact descriptors, so my descriptions will be fraught with errors, misconveyed meaning, etc.. But the shape of the issue or considerations involved in this, can be seen. Look at the what is outlined, not at the technical language couching issues.

I apologize for not being perfect. (non-emoted statement, nothing intended) I’m trying to show that...the reality of what digital audio as a world of music and life in general is.. that this question and answer can be seen as a part of a story that is much greater. That this music scenario is just a symptom, a sign, etc.

When genetic testing costs and associated factors began to drop to the levels it is at today, scientists could embark on these more detailed and complex questions, with some form of answer now being possible to emerge.

IIRC, they may have started with stressing populations of mice. And then doing genetic testing generationally, and correlating back to the complex social behaviors in these captive populations.

They found all the correlation they thought they might, in human populations that have undergone much stressing, regarding upheaval and change.

Never mind things like the idea of a viral injection into a group as a vehicle for genetic shifting, or choosing genetics of a child, and so on...which are already strong possibilities and even realities... with today’s known science. That’s a totally separate question that can be included as backdrop addition, but likely not suitable for this forum.

That can of worms being opened has also shown this far faster shift in humans via environment, which is connected to the music in a visceral fashion. Eg, we’ve recently found via the sciences, that humans seem to process music in the same part of the brain we process and deal with sex. Which is core. As core as it gets. Total reptile base level stuff.

Which helps explain the issues that erupt on audio forums like this. The reptile brain takes over and disarms and defeats the so called consciousness aspects of the human. After all, that’s it’s job. Consciousness is a privilege or aspect of a complex social/environmental scene, it is not a core requirement for species survival.


Just to be clear, this is the Ken Hotte portion of Teo Audio, not Taras. So if you encounter Taras at a show... this little conversational bit is mine, not his. ;)

Really not sure about that statement. Lots of very old-school assumptions embedded there. I’d say ’consciousness’ is a lot older and deeper than just humans, and long a key to "species survival."

Personally my take away is that you are saying this for others, not as a jab at me. Seems logical. I mean no such thing as you describe. The opposite in fact. But it is a debatable aspect of life tied to biological systems, as we know them. Stated as a off to one side factual manner as we are rarely in an environment, concerning forums and the written word, where a balanced open view is functional, in it’s intent, for the majority. Overstated and offside, so more can get the point. Layered psychological subterfuge and intent in the written word.

I really enjoyed Sabbath’s Paranoid on 8 track, when I was ~7. does that count? ;)

Also had ’Live at Folsom Prison’ on 8-track. Let’s sing along now: ’Early next mornin’ at a half-past 9, took a shot of cocaine and away I run....."

The graduation from Pinocchio and puff the magic dragon, was possibly a bit sharp.

Dr. Herbert Melcher has shown that the brain has tipping points. Normally music is processed by the limbic centers; this is where toe tapping and other emotional reactions come from. When things go awry with the sound, the brain seamlessly transfers processing to the cerebral cortex- the seat of the conscious portion of the brain. When this happens, the emotion content of the music is diminished or lost.

The problem for digital is that it contains harmonics unrelated to the fundamental tones (instead are intermodulations related to the scan frequency). The ear is used to hearing harmonics that relate to the fundamental tones in some way. Now this inharmonic distortion (aliasing) is not a great amount, but the ear is very sensitive to any harmonic content that is higher ordered (uses it to measure sound pressure so it has to be sensitive) and is also tuned to birdsong frequencies (where many of the aliasing artifacts occur).

Hello Ralph, I missed that bit just prior to my last few posts.

that’s the part I’ve been looking for, with regard to having an argument that people accept. I’ve gone on about the harmonics, essentially inharmonic non-music related signal in class D amps and digital audio..for quite some time.

Engineering weighting says it is not important.

Human hearing says it is important. Fundamental. So fundamental that the inclusion of said inharmonic signal make the music and the gear...unlistenable for a notable number of listeners. That’s been my take on it since the beginnings of digital and looking at those waveforms on a scope or paper.

Then the folks who don’t find it to be objectionable, or not a problem.

The explanation seems to illustrate the issue of how and why different people listen. So the data to complete the question to most people’s satisfaction, regrading the potential correct answers, is in place. Thank you for that.

All my attempts at working with Class D amplifies, surround the idea of getting rid of that specific residual. I’ve had some success, but the purveyors of said modules, will not allow a modified module to be sold to the public, as that modded unit would be likely be perceived as better than all others of their manufacture, which may be installed in the given proffered finished product.

They said no, unless they could do the modifications for me at the manufacturing level, in house. Which means they wanted to sell my work to everyone (eventually sell to all others, or immediately tinker with the intellectual aspects) and retain their position in the drivers seat, in the finished amplifier manufacturing equation...as the provider of generic amplifier modules that everyone gets to eat (black box forced consumption of an unknown with different livery), and builders of amplifiers.... could just be a vehicle for their product. Like they are right now.

It’s a good business plan, if you can make it work, but a bit cold and hard, for my tastes. Manufacturers of class D modules have managed to get it to work so far, but my explorations in this area have certainly laid bare the business tactic, for me.

(KHotte of Teo Audio)