@slaw Still don’t have 13 Rivers, Brian. Whatcha waitin on Steve? 😁 Actually turned out to be a good LP to tweak the speaker replacement further. Getting them closer and closer. |
@bslon
Thank you sir, and yes it is. 👍🏼 |
Joni Mitchell - Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. Asylum 2LP gatefold 1977 |
@noromance Brian, congrats on the Treo. **Your system is improving so fast**. Let us know what improvements you're enjoying. That’s probably because it needed so much improvement 😁 As I said earlier, the Treo’s are much more refined, especially in the mids. The presentation is much different than the 2’s. More ‘air’, and the music just ‘hangs’ in it, more ‘spacial’. The overall timber and tone is what I would expect from Vandersteen, and the reason I’m such a fan. The sound is so natural for all three Vandy’s I have. The 2’s, albeit very good, were just a heavier focused and overall thicker overall presentation in comparison. That said, I’ve been messing with the placement a lot over the last couple albums. I’m making pretty big moves checking out the ‘extremes’. Not yet getting that locked-in center and overall defined imaging I had with the 2’s that help the speakers disappear, but that is just a matter of figuring out the correct placement for my room. It took me a long time with the 2’s to get right, and the Treo’s will be the same. |
Brian Eno - Before And After Science. Island 1977 |
@spiritofradio @bkeske, have you tried setup (finding the best center) playing mono recordings?
I’m curious about the power needs of the treos. Will you need a bigger amp? I simply placed them closer together. I was trying to get them spaced widely apart, but, in my room, if I spread them too far apart, I lose a solid center, and the music sounds like an old reprocessed for stereo Beatles album 😁 The 2’s we’re similar. So finally started literally with a 3’ space between them, and incrementally moved them farther apart until I knew it was too much and lost the solid center and coherent imaging. I have an odd room, with a variety of things going on, so I’m a bit limited. Will keep playing regardless. In terms of the amp, my old ‘tank’ Belles 400A ‘dual mono’ amp is 200W per channel, so more than enough. But more important, it is a high current amp. Which is more important that shear watts. |
@boxer12
Ha! Fantastic. What a great album. Enjoy!
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@tgilb Natalie Merchant - The House Carpenters Daughter
2003 Myth America Records Man, I gotta get that on vinyl. One of my Natalie favs, and only have it on 1&0’s |
Donald Fagen - The Nightfly. WB 1983 |
The Modern Jazz Quartet - The Last Concert. Atlantic 2LP gatefold 1975 |
Think I finally got things dialed-in, so time for a test with this on vinyl, yesterday streaming it to go back and forth easily…
Ray Brown Trio - Soular Energy. Concord Jazz 1985 |
Ahmad Jamal - Live At The Montreal Jazz Festival 1985. Atlantic 2LP gatefold 1986 |
Szell conducts Samuel Barber - Concerto For Piano And Orchestra, Op. 38 & William Schuman - A Song Of Orpheus. The Cleveland Orchestra w/John Browning, piano & Leonard Rose, cello. Columbia Masterworks 1964 |
That MJQ album was incredible. Really showed what the Treo’s are capable of. Sounded a lot different from what I’ve been used to.
Now, for one of my favorite classical selections…
Szell conducts Sibelius Symphony No. 2. Concertgebouw Orchestra Amsterdam. Philips 1965.
EDIT: Holy crap…..in a good way |
Jamal on the Treos...betting on sublime! I'll take that bet 😉👍🏼 |
Hilary Hahn - Paris. Deutsche Grammophon 2LP 45rpm 2021
@boxer12 👍🏼 |
Sir Adrian Boult conducts Vaughan Williams - Pastoral Symphony (No. 3) & In The Fen Country (Symphonic Impression). New Philharmonia Orchestra. Angel 1968
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Sir Adrian Boult conducts Vaughan Williams - Symphony No. 6 In E Minor & The Lark Ascending. New Philharmonia Orchestra With Hugh Bean, violin. Angel 1968
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On a VW roll tonight….
Sir John Barbirolli conducts Vaughan Williams - A London Symphony. Hallé Orchestra. Angel/EMI, date unknown, but late 60’s per label.
The Treo’s are just blowing me away guys. The imaging and soundstage is incredible. Listening to orchestral music is stunning. The speakers are no longer in my room, or, barely so. I also reduced the gain from 64 to 60 on the Hagerman, and man, that sounded great as well. I think I tried to ‘kick up’ the 2CE’s with 64, albeit were Peter recommends the MIMC, but at 60, things are quieter, and I can kick up the volume a bit, and still sounds wonderful. Maybe better with the Treo’s. |
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Stravinsky conducts Stravinsky - Le Sacre Du Printemps (The Rite Of Spring). Columbia Symphony Orchestra. Columbia Masterworks 1961
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@spiritofradio Ignaz Moscheles
Piano Concerto In G Minor, Opus 58 Etudes, Opus 70
Characteristic Etudes, Opus 95
Michael Ponti, Piano
Philharmonia Hungarica
Othmar F. M. Mága, Conductor
1969 Candide Nice. Looks like a selection ‘right up my alley’. Will have to check it out. |
New arrival today….
Monty Alexander, Ray Brown, & Herb Ellis - Overseas Special. Recorded live at the Satin Doll Club, Tokyo, Japan, March 1982. Concord Jazz 1984 |
@spiritofradio @bkeske, yes. I think you’d like it. You're probably already familiar with the composer but I might describe this piano work as heavily influenced by both Beethoven and Chopin. It’s not an expensive issue, has a great cover, decent (but not stellar) SQ, and it’s very nice, rather energetic but symmetrical music. Found it in NM condition pretty inexpensive, and the seller had two other offerings on my ‘want list’. Cha Ching. |
@spiritofradio Some really great players. How does it sound? Really good. I have a few of these guys albums together, saw them live back in the 80’s too. Good playing by all, of course, but Monty was just killing it on this one. Very enjoyable. |
Antal Dorati conducts Koechlin - Les Bandar-Log, Op. 176 & Messiaen - Chronochromie For Orchestra. And…Boulez conducts Boulez - Les Soleil Des Eaux. BBC Symphony & Chorus. Angel 1965
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Szell conducts Hindemith - Symphonic Metamorphosis Of Themes By Carl Maria Von Weber & Janáček - Sinfonietta For Orchestra, Op. 60. The Cleveland Orchestra. Columbia Masterworks 1968 |
Boulez conducts Berg - Chamber Concerto For Violin, Piano And Thirteen Wind Instruments, Three Pieces For Orchestra, Op. 6, & Altenberg Lieder, Op. 4. BBC Symphony Orchestra w/Daniel Barenboim, piano; Saschko Gawriloff, violin; Halina Lukomska, soprano. Columbia Masterworks 1967 |
@big_greg Sota Sapphire (refurbished). Awesome! Welcome to the SOTA posse 😎 |
Joni Mitchell - Blue. Reprise 1971 |
Vladimir Ashkenazy conducts Strauss - Ein Heldenleben. The Cleveland Orchestra. London 1985
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slide into the grave penniless with a bad A stereo and record collection….. I’m taking mine with me. |
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@mammothguy54 I am not getting any younger. Now is the time to make some rather significant steps forward in my system. And then, enjoy!
Look at what Brian has been doing. Same idea, I believe. Ha! Absolutely Joel. At 64 (in a month) I ain’t getting any younger, and not sure my income will be the same or similar as it is now in the coming years, so this is the time to hopefully make some smart long term (perhaps ‘end game’) purchases. The Treo’s were a big step in doing so. Now if David would get my new preamp built and sent to Johnny Rutan, I will hopefully be incorporating another of those pieces. Then maybe someday, vinyl will become my ‘major’ purchases. In addition, I also blame you all for being ‘bad influences’ 😁 |
Václav Neumann conducts Martinů - Symphonies No. 3, 4, & 5. The Czech Philharmonic Orchestra. Supraphon 2LP gatefold 1982, Czechoslovakia release
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John Hartford - Aereo-Plain. WB 1971 |
Neil Young - After the Gold Rush. Reprise reissue 1978, originally 1970 |
Grateful Dead - American Beauty. WB 1973 |
The Band - S/T. Capitol 1969 |
The Byrds - Sweetheart Of The Rodeo. Columbia reissue 1972, originally 1968 |
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Got a new streamer, so streamed all day yesterday (gasp). Not something I’ve ever done, so it must have sounded pretty good. But, back to my vinyl fix before football in a bit…
Lush - Ciao! Best Of Lush. 4AD 2LP gatefold 2015 |
@big_greg Welcome to the digital world Brian! What streamer did you get? I’ve had an inexpensive Dayton Audio streamer, which was just OK. After many positive reviews of the iFi Zen Stream unit, I found one available and got it. Funky looking, but added a lot of SQ. Only a streamer hooked to my Denafrips DAC via a XLO USB. And also have my music external hard drive hooked to it (with all my ripped CD files), which is nice instead of using DLNA. I have Tidal, and the nice thing is the iFi Stream has ‘Tidal Connect’ included, so can bypass iOS and Airplay, which I could not before. I think that made a huge difference. Now my iPad/iPhone is simply a remote. Pretty nice unit. Never though just a streamer could make that much a difference. |
@big_greg I’ve only experimented with different DACs and combined streamer/DACs, but it seems logical that like all our gear, everything matters. Yep. First in depth review I saw compared it to the Bluesound (which I was considering) combo streamer/DAC. The iFi was said to be substantially better than the Blusesound in sound quality, soundstage, imaging, depth, etc. Even when the Bluesound was hooked up to the same DAC for comparison. Kinda sealed the deal for me. Given that I spin vinyl 90%+ of the time, works for me. |
@slaw Hey Brian, I’m soaking it all in for my possible foray into streaming. My music friend has a little Shiit tube DAC and really great sounding Audio Engine speakers at his computer desk. Vinyl is, and always will be ‘king’ to me Steve. That said, it is nice to have in order to check out music you do not own. What I did yesterday. But, that is also what is so odd about it. For me. After all day, I can never get over the feeling of listening to things without ‘ownership’. And at times, feel I can lose focus while doing so. There is something about playing a physical medium, that you actually own, which simply makes you pay more attention while listening. At least it does for me. I dunno, maybe just my age, and how I was raised listening to only physical media. |
Siouxsie & The Banshees - The Scream. Polydor 1979
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OK, Been side-tracked.
Finally getting to the 2nd LP of that Lush set. |
Eno - Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy). Island 1974 |
@puffball08
Wow….fun stuff there. |
Modern Lovers - S/T. Beserkley Reissue 1978, originally 1976 |
