What would your "perfect speaker" sound like.

Thanks for your kind understanding ...

I think we cannot judge sound through computer ... I must be in your room ...

Then my post cannot be a judgement only an impression , perhaps erroneous...

You are a very creative person ...

I wish you the best year ever ...

 

Every ears are different. No need for apology. Thanks for the honest opinion!

FYI, my system sounds so unique (being an only natural sound system in the world and closest to the original music) that your ears might need much time to get used.

Listen to the original music until your ears hear it correctly. Then you can judge my system sound more accurately. Alex/WTA

Mine is a mix if i can judge between shkong78 too bright sound through youtube and milhorn too dark sound through youtube ...

i will keep mine ...😁😊

I apologize i could not resist .,..😊

@mahgister wrote:

Good drivers and very good crossovers are not enough...

They are not even necessary if you understand acoustics, you can do with what you have for the price you had pay for ...

A good driver needn’t be hellishly expensive, that would be my main takeaway. A bad driver is mostly just that, a bad driver, and one that’s oftentimes difficult if not impossible to work around and improve upon. However, look at what the late Peter Snell did with his speakers in the early 80’s with rather cheap, yet quality drivers (Philips, Audax, Becker and others) and how he paired and measured those speakers to very tight tolerances. Implementation is paramount. Crossover components needn’t be expensive either (to a degree), but needless to say their design is vital - be that passively or actively. Of course acoustics matter, but quite frequently I find acoustic measures (not least absorption) can lead to overdamping, which is hardly ideal either - worse even, I find, than a listening room a bit too lively. Balance is key, and preference is obviously a factor. Active config. takes better advantage of both amp and driver potential - another way to more effectively harness a potential within a price range.

I will let you the "perfect speakers" at astronomical cost ...

I will keep my imperfect modified one...

The speakers to which we add creativity and acoustic knowledge is the best ... Especially mine: incredible soundfield and timbre at 150 bucks ...

High end is a mindset not a price tag, to use the extraordinary post of mikelavigne ..

One thing to keep in mind is that your attitude, which I appreciate, can as well be applied with a budget of $1,500, $15k or more, not to mention a physical framework of the speakers that’s much larger. As you imply astronomical budgets can be put to very little use, and for some reason people spending that much money on equipment typically get more leeway with regard to being considered serious in their venture, but spending more money (than very little), not least on the basis of much larger speakers, shouldn’t automatically be considered a slippery slope.

 I never said that big speakers must be considered a money slippery slope ... I said that acoustics knowledge help us to optimize any speakers , relatively to our needs ...In this perspective there is a trade-off between speakers of any size and any types, this trade-off can be used positively or negatively accordingly to our specfic needs and acoustics knowledge ..

All your remarks are common sense anyway  and complementary to mine  and i will not contradict you...

But between very bad mediocre speakers parts, and highly refined one , there is all the majority of products between very bad and very good as my low cost modified active speakers with a redesigned porthole among other things  which now after modification ( knowing that any speakers is an Helmholtz resonators with his volume and porthole neck  ) punch way over their ridiculous low price ...

Even "magical" acoustics won't transform small drivers into mean air shifters with the ease, scale and dynamics that offers.into

And for sure my small speakers are not transformed in " big air shifters" but i dont need that in near listenings and there is way more  than "air shifting" in "magical acoustics lists of factors and concepts as you know yourself for sure...😉😊

 

I wish you the best year and health for you and your family in these troubled times...

 

Good drivers and very good crossovers are not enough...

They are not even necessary if you understand acoustics, you can do with what you have for the price you had pay for ...

I will let you the "perfect speakers" at astronomical cost  ...

I will keep my imperfect modified one...

The speakers to which we add creativity and acoustic knowledge is the best ... Especially mine:  incredible soundfield and timbre at 150 bucks ...

 High end is a mindset not a price tag, to use the extraordinary post of mikelavigne ..

 

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I stumble on this video about the characteristics of the Ogy speakers...

His internal labyrinth as a front porthole extended 3 feet inside but is homogenous labyrinth with a front porthole and a 4 inches concentric driver...

 

My own speakers the M-audio AV 40 , which i modified is a 2 way speakers with a 4 inches woofer ... But i created a waveguide extended that make a more coherent waves direction... And i created an external porthole with bent straws of different size and lenght extending 3 feet outside the speakers box...Then an heteregenous labyritnth in my case ...

The difference in bass, imaging and soundstage is too unbelievable to be true ...

I am sure this Ogy is very good...

But mine rival it probably or is not very far behind at ten times less cost ...

Most people dont understand how each speaker is a potential Helmholtz resonators , a volume with a neck an a specific cross ratio between the two and the absorbing surface properties inside , tuned or not, create a soundfield of various charaxcteristics relating to these precedent parameters ... If you think all a speakers is about are his caps and crossover you are dead wrong... It is way more complex and the mechanical part of a speakers matter as much if not more than the electrical part or the mere mechanical driver so important it could be ...

Most speakers makers dont take the trouble to make more than a simplistic horizontal porthole when they design one , because computing an internal one cost research and money and time ... An external one as mine , ask also for his optimization to do some research and is unesthetical...😁

I dont give a damn about esthetic... I want good sound and i have it at peanuts cost ... I dont even need a sub ...I listen musical acoustic instrument not movie ...it is enough clear punchy bass around 50 hertz for me ...

Look at the labyrinth of the Ogy above and listen the explanation here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMmytYy1B78

 

«A straw  of the right size and lenght well located can make a greater upgrade in a system than thousand of dollars of gear»-- Anonymus acoustician teaching Helmholtz

 

 

 

It seems my idea to use a 4 inches woofer but with an elaborate porthole design labyrinth in my case outside the speakers , in the case of the Oggy speakers inside , is not an odd experiment but a perfectly controlled way to use the speakers as a refined resonator ...

Anyway i had this idea when i studied Helmholtz resonators for my room ...And when loosing my house and room i did not have the choice of speakers only my small active one i disliked for 12 years before modifying them ..

My redesigned active 2 way speakers sound so good now , i dont think listening to Huff review of the oggy than mine sound way less refined and way less good ... Anyway i paid my active speakers 100 bucks 12 years ago and they are not pointwise singular driver as the Oggy or my Tannoy but two-way...My soundfield is astounding as is my bass ...Not shaking the room but clear and not boomy and i dont need subs ...

Acoustics knowledge  rule the gear not the reverse ....

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKt1ddNgHDI&t=308s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_xSbQylt50&t=116s

https://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2023/12/21/the-hifi-system-of-the-gods-ogy-and-b-o-b-speakers-deliver-the-chills/

https://www.closeracoustics.com/loudspeakers/ogy

I Own M-Studio Mv40 speakers self powered...They compared in specs to the 80 hertz limit Of the LS3 5AS...

Instead of investing 10,000 bucks as advised by Mijostyn whose pocket seems without limit...😁

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I put a bunch of straws in the Port hole behind , increasing then the volume of the resonators chamber increasing my bass extension and depth then i helped the Tweeter directional focalization to my ears by putting a plastic ring around the tweeters ...

No cost....

Complete transformation of a good cheap speakers in superlative small one......( i arrange an acoustic corner too for them )

I go more down in the bass , and the bass i have have way more extension...

My cheap speakers beat all headphones i ever own...Save my beloved K340...

If you want to purchase a bigger soundfield for more person in a bigger room invest 10,000 bucks in some  good bigger speaker able to go near 30 hertz...

With this money which is more than 10,000 bucks for 2 dac, 2 subs, a DSP you will spare all that useless cables and intermediate stage with one bigger pair of speakers...

It is my advice...

If i listen Organ music with 30 hertz notes myself i quit my little speakers and go on my headphone...

For jazz they are perfect... Cost : 100 bucks...

 

LS3 5As have no bass below 80 Hz at 3 feet or any feet for that matter. Get a pair of KEF K92 subwoofers and a MiniDSP SHD Studio with two Benchmark DACs. This will make you a 90% system (better than 90% of the systems out there).

I am flabbergasted by the facts that some believe that speakers choice matter more than the room...

For me the room matter as much...If not more... 😊

I prefer less performant speakers in a dedicated acoustic room than more performant speakers in a bad room ( most non dedicated room ) ...

Acoustician regard the specs of speakers as the quantitative aspects of a room only data they will use to create great sound...

Any speakers can sound if not extraordinary, optimal in any great room dedicated to them...

My favorite speakers is the only one paradoxically i never really listened to at his optimal possibilities then i never really heard them , and incredibly i owned them for 45 years and this was because i did not know about the importance of acoustic for so long...😁

Then my mythical Tannoy dual gold Mallorcan, had sounded way less good in my living room for 45 five years than my less well designed and inferior Mission Cyrus 781 in a dedicated acoustic room...is this not extraordinary ?

The room dont change the specs for sure but maximalize all there is that is good in a speaker on a high level...Or the room kill the best specs of any speakers and translate them in the worst ...

My 12 pounds of salt...

Give me the room first... 😁

And pick a good speakers for me...

I will live with them...

Why do you think i can be happy with a good but cheap pair of speakers ( 100 bucks) now with only a dedicated acoustic corner ?

Am i deaf?

Or did i did what we must do to install them in the right way ?

This M-audio MV40 speakers i disliked them when i bought them 12 years ago...I was used to the Tannoy sound which was way over them even in a bad room..I sold the Tannoy which was an error because i needed smaller one on my desk and because i learned nothing about acoustic at the times...

The M-audio were used only for computer sake..l. I never considered them able to deliver music...I bought Mission to replace the Tannoy...

Till i lost my Mission speakers/dedicated room , because i sold my house 1 year ago...

In my new basement i created a dedicated acoustic corner shaped for these little M-Audio... What a surprize at the end of this process ...

i now can listen music and i have even a soundstage and a good imaging and good timbre with the right dac with good but very low cost speakers ...

i created more diffusive surface for them...

I used two foldable screens for that...

I dont have deep bass for sure with a 4 inches driver, but i have acceptable bass ....

Really the acoustic matter way more than the price of the speakers...

What was the use to have been lucky enough to own the Tannoy dual gold, a shining pair of speakers, if you have never been able to set them right as i was unable to do it for 45 years ?

You can laught at me.... But it is pure truth learned the hard way ...

 

Imperfect speakers in the perfect room for them matter way more than the perfect speakers in the most imperfect room....

Pick the speakers for me i will make them shine...

Acoustic rule...

Not speakers design alone and by itself...

It cannot sound better than the room...

Gives me any speakers  i will made the best of it...

 

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