What speakers for 10k?

Me selling speakers, that's funny but no. I'm just a DIY'er, and after years of watching all the ridiculous discussions here, I finally decided to sign up and share some actual knowledge.

From now on, expect me to poke my head in whenever I see bogus claims.

94db Sensitive? If the Wavetouch is 94db sensitive, I'm a Chinese Jet Pilot. Spoiler alert, I'm not a Chinese Jet Pilot.

Why do you guys buy into flat out BS like a small 2-way monitor using a 90-91db sensitive woofer can somehow be 94db sensitive? Baffle step eats up 3db at least, so at best those are 88db sensitive speakers. And 4ohm to boot, so they're only 85db efficient.

There are only 3 possibilities why a manufacturer would list those as 94db sensitive.
- They don't have a clue about design, and don't realize they're wrong
- They think you're too dumb to know it's BS, and choose to knowingly lie
- They have invented an orb of alternate physics which surrounds the speakers, allowing them operate outside the laws which rule all other speakers on the planet

Customers refusing to educate themselves about the product they're purchasing is all that allows manufacturers to get away with these types of decpetion.

94db Sensitive? If the Wavetouch is 94db sensitive, I'm a Chinese Jet Pilot. Spoiler alert, I'm not a Chinese Jet Pilot.

Why do you guys buy into flat out BS like a small 2-way monitor using a 90-91db sensitive woofer can somehow be 94db sensitive? Baffle step eats up 3db at least, so at best those are 88db sensitive speakers. And 4ohm to boot, so they're only 85db efficient.

There are only 3 possibilities why a manufacturer would list those as 94db sensitive.
- They don't have a clue about design, and don't realize they're wrong
- They think you're too dumb to know it's BS, and choose to knowingly lie
- They have invented an orb of alternate physics which surrounds the speakers, allowing them operate outside the laws which rule all other speakers on the planet

Customers refusing to educate themselves about the product they're purchasing is all that allows manufacturers to get away with these types of decpetion.

If you posses even the most rudimentary understanding of loudspeaker design, it should be abundantly clear why there is no possible way given the physical laws of this planet, that those speakers cannot be 94db sensitive ... not even close.

And there is no good, proven, acoustical science behind those plastic snowcones they hang off the front. Those aren't waveguides, and they aren't horns. They're nothing more than port tubes, and putting your tweeter and midrange inside a Helmholtz resonator will produce nothing but negative effects. To me at least it's clear why Wavetouch has never posted any real tangible data to back up their claims. The grade school drawings they post in their "Technology" section of their website could not be any more laughable.

The mainstream audiophile journalists assault on science regarding this hobby is the only reason ridiculous constructs such as the Wavetouch speakers are every allowed to pass mustard in the first place. Because they have never applied science in their writings, most of you have no concept of it's application. To myself, someone who has designed around 50 speakers over the last 10+ years by using proper scientific priciples, the outright lies in their specification claims and deceptions of how their re-purposed port tubes work is frankly insulting. And to see so many people swallow their line of BS is disappointing.

For those of you who need more handholding, here's why the speaker can never be 94db sensitive.

The woofer used - https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-5-woofers/sb-acoustics-sb15nrxc30-4-5-woofer/

And then you have to subtract 3db or so for Baffle Step, you end up with 88db at most.

And if you think that hacksaw'd in half port tube produces a gain resulting transfer function in the bass, you don't understand at all the mechanisms in play. It won't, and that's why the manufacturer produces no data to backup the claims.

Amusing, but not completely unexpected, those without ability to make comments of merit would resort to personal attacks and blindly throw darts in effort to uncover my identity. So who am I? I'm the fly in the ointment, that small but irritating voice that won't go away when manufacturers trot out bogus claims and outright lies. I'm here to set the record straight, and choose the cover of anonymity for purpose of my righteous mission.

Turbulence? You'll have to do better than that. First off, the outlandish claims could easily be proven with a simple calibrated response measurement. Something any speaker manufacturer worth their salt should be doing anyway. So why hasn't that been shown? Simple, it would show convincingly that the claims are bogus. And second, the entire concept is nothing but an ill conceived straw man. Set up the boogieman of turbulence, then knock him down with your saw'd in half port tubes. Except, there is no problem of turbulence, there is no air movement. To imply there is shows a complete lack of understanding of the mechanisms at play. Sound waves are not mass, no fluid is displaced, all they care about is density of the medium they're passing through, and air in this system is non-compressible so constant. The whole argument is implausible, but could be proven quite simply if it had merit ... which it doesn't.

And there are other BIG problems with the smoke stacks. Long areas of constant cross section which will make it act as a Helmholtz resonantor, and have easily measurable resonances (distortion) of their own. And the fact that the physical dimensions of the woofer pipe would limit it from having any effect below (I'm guessing) 500hz.

The drivers Wavetouch use are just fine, good in fact. I've used the SB Woofer and believe it's one of the better mid-bass drivers in it's price range. It is NOT however under any circumstance capable of 94db sensitivity. The Dayton AMT tweeter is also pretty decent, and putting it in a Birch cabinet is admirable. Wavetouch would be better off without those dopey horns, and making non-fabricated claims about the performance. Because that speaker, assuming the crossover is proper, could stand on it's out at $2000 without the aura of BS surrounding it.

I'm sensing that some Wavetouch agents are attempting to divert us from the issue at hand which is their fabricated claims.

Someone please explain the obsession with Vapor, I assume you mean Vapor Audio? I've ran in the same circles with Pete for many years, and he can rub people the wrong way. Is that what this is about? Or is it just an attempt to again, avoid the issue at hand?

I am not here to sell you anything. Desire to leave my chosen field, which is quite lucrative, is nonexistent. I build speakers on weekends and am quite good at it, because speakers are very very simple machines dominated by easily understood sceintific principles. Those of you who are befuddled by science buy into fabricated grandiose claims, and are the reason why audiofools are perceived the way they are. Anybody who's able to tie their own shoes could self-educate to the point where making a smart decision about speakers is simple. So why do you not begin that simple journey? Instead opting to just throw money at the problem and see what sticks.

An entry level understanding would teach you that there is no way around the physics of our Universe, there is no free lunch. And the bogus claims would immediately be identified as such. As mentioned above PMC, ATC, ProAc, those are all speakers designed and built by engineers who understand the laws of our Universe and apply them appropriately. But I suppose they're just not exciting enough for some because they don't promise 20 more years of life expectancy and for your wifes breasts to double in cup size.

Now who will I be accused of being next? Whatever it takes to divert attention from the obviousness of my text.

"Engineers are educated idiots", you say after having your digital alarm clock wake you up, took a shower off the public water works, took the freeway system to work in your Mercedes, walked up to your 15th floor office, booted up your computer, logged onto the internet, and posted how engineers are idiots. Self-righteous much?

"Why bash something I've never heard", well

- Why complain about the car marketed as having 300hp that only delivers 150, unless you've driven it
- Why complain about that bologna sandwich that they told you was prime rib, until you've eaten it

Does that connect the dots well enough for you?