Hey Jh,
Of the 40 days offered by WT you'll not need the remaining 39 days and 20 hrs.
The Mozarts would be destroyed tonally, harmonically and dynamically (especially by the GT SE's)... in every way.
The three areas that would be of concern to me with the Beethoven's also are the limited bandwidth (ultra sonics matter), lowish efficiency for a 4 ohm speaker (the higher the efficiency when driving a 4 ohm load the easier the amp works which produces a more relaxed, effortless sound... especially when pushed). Leading to the third issue with VA Beethoven's... that is common knowledge that when you push VA hard they crumble.
As I've said, great specs don't guarantee great sound but without great specs the potential isn't there.
GT's go out beyond 27K, efficiency @ 94db...
Also, anybody that tries to challenge Wavetouch Audio's INTEGRITY and credibility (zd542 "lol") is baseless...and meaningless to this or any other thread. Look at the "reviews" page on his website and be overwhelmed by the many grateful and satisfied customers. And when you're done there after many hours check his feedback on this website. |
I thought this thread was about spending $10K for speakers? Why are you even considering spending a fraction of that for what is mostly a sideways purchase? I have nothing against VA's. I think the VA's are a reasonable value for what they do... with the exception of their flagship model... which is very compelling to me. It has a high frequency extension out to 100K... now that's better... and it sells for $27000.00... and this quote was from a review of "The Music" that perfectly describes one aspect of my personal experience with the latest GT's "While working on a variety of projects and wandering around my listening room, I was continually and abruptly surprised by the many quick transients and vocal inflections that poured out from the system—even at low to medium volume levels. I could be sitting at my desk off to the side or sitting in my prime listening position—music quality was superb at both."
Also, I do understand why Ryan at Vapor doesn't offer a trial period. Even his smaller speakers are not lightweights. When an audiophile has a budget of $10K and thoroughly investigates the veracity of Wavetouch Audio and their grateful, elated customers, taking the generous 40 day Wavetouch offer becomes not only a no-brainer but will likely also become the next chapter in their audiophile journey.
Cheers |
Ivan, regarding your comment on speeding things up relative to component quality. The tonality of the current GT products are as spot on as anything out there. I was able to take my $10-15k (prototype) amplifier and connect it to a pair of $35K speakers a few days ago... that were not at all as tonally correct as the GT's. (As it is the company's brand new, recently released model I won't share which one it was at this time, but will down the road... I'm helping to voice it further.) I can see that if it were just the wave guide without the center phase unit timing would be an issue. But as it is, the GT's simply convey the most uncompressed, liquid and super detail picture into what their sent... with ZERO emphasis. I think I know what your trying to explain. It's just a highly articulate...but completely NATURAL, relaxed sound... |
Twoleftears,
The Liszt w/ AX5 sounds like a happily ever after pairing...beautiful. The higher bandwidth of both is an essential element not common with less expensive gear. Which was part of my concern with BCG's and their limited dynamic capabilities...in absolute terms.
Without the possibility of extending harmonics well out of the typical "audibility band", the possibility for un-strained, believable dynamics that holds the sonic picture together under load will be compromised. Which drives a key element again with the GT's which have an even higher frequency extension than the Listz. |
Jh,
I've heard GT's driven by very expensive amps and good quality budget amps to expected results. Your amp is right in middle and if everything is doing their job properly you're in for a real treat. Your amp's specs are exceptional! FR out to 100k, the damping factor is a little scary, wow...overkill isn't always a good thing, but if it has no peaks your good. Low resistance cables won't be an issue for you, but always good to have super low capacitance cables as well. My choice for mid price reference cables is Zentara reference, extremely open and tonally correct letting all the harmonic info through with spectacular spacial and dynamic capabilities. Perfect, reasonably price partner for the GT's. |
Zd542,
I happily stand up for good people who are deserving... The owner of Wavetouch is such a person.
"The owner of the company is confident that his speakers will outperform my VA Mozart's and I wont return them."
lol.
This is a pointless and valueless comment.
Reading anything you've written here is a waste of time...
Do you have anything technical to add or a recommendation that might be applicable here? |
Hey Simoa,
"Truthfully, I feel as if there've been too many threads lately in which Wavetouch all of a sudden assumes high prominence, with a few posters offering sales pitches that sound like, well, sales pitches."
I only jumped onto this thread a couple of days ago after several other posters brought up GT's and the OP was considering spending less.
"Again, I imagine Wavetouch are quality products and that their designer is a passionate and devoted craftsman and technician, but the way these things are being trumpeted, you'd think they're the second coming of hi-end audio."
That's funny, their definitely not the second coming...Yep, I agree it may be a bit over the top at times, but totally truthful! It's our way of giving back I suppose. Not a new story...small company, no advertising budget, growing track record, a kind, innovative, passionate owner, and an enthusiastic, growing gallery of BELIEVERS.... sorry S, there I go again
"I mean, really? They best Avantegarde or Kharma Ceramique? They blow Wilsons out of the water?"
Totally agree... |
Jh,
Enjoyed your pm's... As we discussed, this level of audio enthusiasm is as much about the the discovery behind the philosophy/science of new designs as it is about the 'art form' of the audio experience itself. As I'm working on stuff this morning and also getting ready to host a small Superbowl get together later, happily looking out of a large window at a beautiful green covered hill in sunny California feeling totally blessed having taken delivery of our newest family member yesterday (2015 liquid platinum GS350 F-sport Lexus, lucky us) listening to our Gen2 GT's (great atmospheric music; N Nicco-The Castle, Air- Alone in Kyoto, BT- The Shame bent mix, David Lanz- Dream of the forgotten child, Elton John- Love Song off of Tumbleweed Connection) expecting our first child in a few months... I had to share this feeling because the Wavetouch speaks are an integral part of this feeling of appreciation right now. Someone recently was asked what their favorite thing about Winter was; the reply..."My favorite thing about Winter is being able to watch it on TV from California".
Cheers |
"The owner of the company is confident that his speakers will outperform my VA Mozart's and I wont return them."
lol.
lol, means laugh out loud, Anyone can clearly see your mindless comment was meant as a dig against a manufacturers specific comment about a specific speaker. There is nothing the least bit funny about it.
You said;
"I don't owe you an explanation for anything I do. If you don't like it, you can kiss my ass."
What kind of a way is that to handle the stress you've brought upon yourself? By lashing out ...with a typical under-class remark.
Everyone knows that this kind of inanity is part of many forums. For me, you've become the poster child of the moment.
You're battin' a 1000 |
Vortrex,
Your tireless hate for Vapor is impressive.
Over time your efforts will likely cause more people to order his beautiful products regardless of past ventures (many of us have them). They'll find out for themselves that Ryan is a quality guy manufacturing an extremely high quality product. |
Zd542,
Clearly, I was referring to your "lol" response to the manufacturer's confidence comment...
Also, being the first to answer a thread means what exactly? Answer...Nothing.
You said, "Now you've caught yourself in somewhat of a paradox. If reading anything that I've written here is a waste of time, you can't know that until you've read my post. Going by your logic, you shouldn't even be reading this. But you are, and in doing so you're in defiance of your own "logic"?
And... "Luckily for us, your logic and reality are not the same thing. If you can somehow figure out a loophole, see if you can read the thread from the beginning."
Reading this nonsense illustrates my point perfectly...Wasting some time is an necessary evil of forums... Thanks for providing the object lesson.
To all others, maybe it's time to start posting some personal experience $10k range speakers that are worth commenting on for those that see the title...
Here are a few I've heard and loved, in no particular order;
The Vaughn Cabernet
Proac Response D40R w/ribbon tweeter (discontinued) great used value, replacement even better.
ATC SCM40A brand new, incredible, powered. Drive directly.
DeVore Silverback's, older or newer version. Occasionally found used.
I've also seen Salon 2 Revel's (retail over $20k) go for well under $10k in the L.A. area... More set up is needed than for your average speaker but big reward when optimized.
Personally I'm looking to step up soon to either Ascendo System F's
or the rarely discussed, Advanced Transduction Directorate loudspeaker.
Cheers |
Zd542,
Your input once again is irrelevant to anything.
He ordered the Wavetouch GT monitors in part because I gave him the confidence to do so in some PM's.
I will continue to give my thoughts on the $10k speaker topic as I see fit. Many threads have a life beyond the needs of the OP... For many this price point is very relevant.
You said;
"Thank you. I was hoping you would figure that out at some point."
Astounding, Pathetic.
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Zd542,
Your input once again is irrelevant to anything.
He ordered the Wavetouch GT monitors in part because I gave him the confidence to do so in some PM's.
I will continue to give my thoughts on the $10k speaker topic as I see fit. Many threads have a life beyond the needs of the OP... For many this price point is very relevant.
You said;
"Thank you. I was hoping you would figure that out at some point."
Astounding, Pathetic.
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Zd,
"The owner of the company is confident that his speakers will outperform my VA Mozart's and I wont return them."
lol.
lol, means laugh out loud, Anyone can clearly see your mindless comment was meant as a dig against a manufacturers specific comment about a specific speaker. There is nothing the least bit funny about it.
You said;
"I don't owe you an explanation for anything I do. If you don't like it, you can kiss my ass."
What kind of a way is that to handle the stress you've brought upon yourself? By lashing out ...with a typical under-class remark.
Everyone knows that this kind of inanity is part of many forums. For me, you've become the poster child of the moment.
You're battin' a 1000 |
Zd542,
"The OP asked if we could move on from this crap and talk about speakers."
This isn't crap, this is entertainment.
"If you want, I'll even admit to hating Vapor speakers and declare myself on a mission to discredit the company"
This idiocy proves my point that you are the poster child of INANITY.
It would make sense then that your 'lol' comment was just a knee jerked inanity which has been your MO and you didn't actually mean any harm.
We can move on now. |
Jh,
"I just hope I'm not building them up for a let down."
Maybe you should take a break from thinking about them for a few days.
They are what they are... you'll know soon enough.
Whatever happens, the main thing is that your up for the adventure of discovering something new and exciting... most people here can only dream about doing it.
You actually are... so feel good! |
Jh,
Remember, there is no voodoo with these or any other speakers. The WT GT's are what they are... only good, basic, proven acoustical science and much empirical fine tuning. You don't have to defend anything.
Horns, waveguides, phase plugs and the like are not to be confused with voodoo. Wavetouch is simply using a fresh implementation of these proven and century old tools.
Also, as countless members here know, there are many unconventional 'tweek" products for increasing fidelity that are very legitimate. Wading out in those waters is not necessary. |
Onemanjackelpack,
Wow, that's a very dramatic first ever post on AG.
"They have invented an orb of alternate physics which surrounds the speakers"
This is a very astute observation. That's not far off.
If you didn't know, horn loading, especially with an extended center phase wave 'guide' increases efficiency.
Nice of you to drop in.
I hope you're a better pilot than you are a spoiler. |
Jackalman,
The fact that you are blasting a patent (anyone can look it up) that was issued by a panel of PHD accredited experts in the field shows that you are not close to the expert you claim to be. Also, saying there could be anything resembling a Helmholtz resonator effect with this design is moronic.
You designed 50 speakers that sold how many?
Its interesting how many 'experts' emerge as a fresh approach begins to gain traction in the marketplace. And these with no stated products of their own who also claim to be an expert of something they didn't create. |
Jh,
"This is by far the best speaker buying experience I've ever had!"
I can all but guarantee when mated with the quality gear you have mentioned, you will be rewarded with one of the most holographic and mesmerizing audio experiences you've had (regardless of price, yes I said it). I'm not saying they are the best speakers I've heard, but they have qualities of immediacy, openness, naturalness, clarity, layering few possess. As you know I've had the latest generation G2's for a few months now and have owned several speakers in the $5-10k range. Most stereophile class A rated... Artemis eos full range, some JMR's,KEF's, Thiels and some others a bit out of the ordinary that were never reviewed, some true outliers.
The current Wavetouch speakers, when integrated properly into a system/environment and optimized, the room will absolutely be filled with natural dimensionality and convincing PRESENCE and VANISH. Obviously short of Full extension and room loading dependent the current Wavetouch loudspeakers' drivers and parts synergy IS THAT GOOD.
Thanks for enduring more nauseating praise.
Stay pumped... and use those 40 days. I don't know how many hours of play your speakers will be delivered with, mine took a good 300 to totally relax, and become effortless...When a speaker is delivering the goods it makes your whole body totally relax as well. No edge, nothing to draw attention to itself, leaving you in the moment.
Cheers |
"Why complain about that bologna sandwich that they told you was prime rib, until you've eaten it
Does that connect the dots well enough for you? "
It's interesting that the only talk about "complain" ing is from a few that have never heard WAVETOUCH products. That's puts you in camp of those who speak out of their Arses. The only dots connected here are that you still have ZERO basis for delivering an assertion. Bologna served up with animus are the only things to take away from your obvious WAVETOUCH...jealousy...Next |
Sevenshy,
You must be one lonely, disgruntled, sad excuse for a speaker manufacturer to spend so much effort trying to devalue WAVETOUCH AUDIO...
But maybe the word association isn't such a bad one. MagnaVox means MAGNA-VOICE which is exactly what the new GT's are. They sound much larger and more convincingly realistic than any speaker I know of under $5k and perhaps more.
Actually, I think that you've helped give WAVETOUCH AUDIO GT LOUDSPEAKERS a new nickname. Because it's fitting. MAGNA-VOICE!!
People who need to devalue others to feel good about themselves are among the lowest of the low. |
