What Shunyata and Furman (SMP) Have in common - Inductance!


Hi everyone,

I've been doing a little online research. The name that seems to come across here on audiogon regarding power conditioners is Shunyata, while @elizabeth and I talk Furman, especially due to cost.


I wanted to point out that what these two brands have in common is inductance. Coils. Coils in series with the outputs.


Furman and others who have licensed series mode surge protectors use great big coils to slow down surges long enough to let the surge protector react. Furman calls it SMP, but the tech has also been licensed to PS Audio and other makers. Essentially this is a low pass filter, which starts working at 3 kHz. That's way down in the audible range.


It's clear from pics of Shunyata's insides that they are using great big coils too. Why? Well, you can make a coil with high inductance, and low resistance at AC.


Anyway, my point is, these two brands share this basic principle. If you want to supplement a Shunyata by taking digital streaming outside of it (routers, wifi, etc) consider this super inexpensive Furman strip:

https://amzn.to/2U9QiiR

It's also a great starter conditioner, and the series surge suppression is unbeatable. Furman also has LiFT which I trust works but I've not investigated it very much. Furman makes a boatload of devices, so check for SMP and LiFT for the best noise suppression.

The PS Audio strip which uses series suppression is here:

https://www.psaudio.com/products/dectet-power-center/


Of course, saying these conditioners have the same principle is not the same as saying they work equally well or are best for your application. To your own ears be true!


Best,

E
erik_squires

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@erik_squires 

You are completely mistaken on all levels. Quit trying to duplicitously sell Furman products for your affiliate link money!

1) Furman does not license series mode surge technology. They were sued by Zero Surge - the originators and license owner of the series mode technology patent - and lost. Furman was forced to call their technology SMP (Series Multi-Stage Protection), which still uses MOVs. 

https://www.furmanpower.com/furman-technologies/series-multi-stage-protection

SurgeX, Brick Wall, and Torus Power are the only licensees of series mode technology that I'm aware of.

2) Shunyata does not use inductors. 

https://youtu.be/mrUKwzfCNWg

3) Where did you see a picture of a Chang Lightspeed with an inductor? "No use of inductive coils, which cause time lag in performance"

https://www.changlightspeed.com/

I could only see caps in the pictures I saw, that did not show the full circuits.
@erik_squires

"Zero Surge® was incorporated in March 1989 by J. Rudy Harford." He is the founder, and was the former owner and president. And yes, he’s the license owner.

https://zerosurge.com/about-us/

Look at the SMP circuit on the page you linked. Are you blind or clueless as to what a MOV looks like? There are clearly MOVs.

https://www.furmanpower.com/sites/furmanpower.com/files/_/Power-Report/smp-circuit.jpg

Still don’t believe me? "Furman’s Series Multi-Stage Protection Plus (SMP+) addresses some of the shortcomings of traditional MOV-based protectors by employing a variety of circuits to clamp, absorb, and dissipate transient voltages without having the device sacrifice itself. The company claims that MOVs used in a properly designed circuit will not fail.

Furman’s SMP+ circuitry takes pages from both shunt-and series- mode playbooks and adds its own twist. Along with a high-voltage MOV and a high-amperage thermo-fuse varistor, SMP+ uses a tuned circuit that includes series inductors, a bridge rectifier (which con- verts AC to DC power), and high-voltage capacitors."

https://zerosurge.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Sound_and_Vision_July2007_Zero_Surge.pdf

"SMP allows Furman products to offer this protection without damaging any of their own internal components—that is, they are virtually non-sacrificial"

https://www.mixonline.com/technology/furman-sound-implement-smp-technology-381312

"• Zero Surge’s patented filter technology protects sensitive electronics from even worst case surges, repeatedly, without degradation or failure. MOV-free."

https://zerosurge.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/zero-surge-brochure.pdf

" • No sacrificial or wear components (no MOV’s)"

https://www.brickwall.com/pages/the-worlds-best-surge-protectors

The series mode surge technology patent states, "Provides an inductor system as the first means of protection."

"A branch circuit SPD (Surge Protection Device) using an MOV in front of, in back of or sideways of, a small ferrite core series inductor, labeled as ’series something’, is in my opinion, a marketing persuasion by our competitors intended to ride on our back and confuse you, and the only way to promote a product ’looking like ours’ without violating our patents. Are you a Switch or a Filter?

An MOV is a semiconductor switch. Switches will wear out and can suddenly fail when stressed. The monitoring of these switching devices over time as ’functional’ is tedious and a guessing game at best. A filter properly designed for its application will not wear out and will only fail if misapplied. Think about your passive LC subwoofer crossovers...when will it wear out?...perhaps when you wire it up to 440V just for fun?...or when you listen to too much music?" Michael McCook, SurgeX International

Furman purposely added MOVs to create a hybrid surge protection device that does not violate the patent. Due to the patent, Furman can not call the design series mode technology, and renamed it SMP+ in 2005.

SurgeX does not have the same basic technology as other series mode designs. They have added ASM (Advanced Series Mode) technology. This adds an extra winding to the air-core inductor to further improve the surge protection and lower the let-through voltage.

https://www.ametekesp.com/-/media/ametekesp/downloads/white-papers/surgex-ametek_white-paper_advance....

You do seem right about McIntosh, as the MPC1500 appears to use series mode surge technology as a repackaged Torus. "Torus Power Technology under license from Plitron Manufacturing Inc."

https://www.mcintoshlabs.com/-/media/Files/mcintoshlabs/DocumentMaster/us/mpc1500om05L.ashx

What led you to believe that PS Audio licenses series mode technology? They use a circuit breaker, fuse, and MOVs for surge protection in the Power Plant regenerators. Paul McGowan does not like large inductors, and advertises how the Power Plant regenerators have low inductance.

Inductance is not good for transparent sound quality. It reduces current and rolls off the highs. Inductors are called chokes for a reason. I won’t deny that many people like them, as evidenced by people that find series mode technology transparent, and all of the Furman & Audioquest fans.
They are specifically talking about the Furman products using the SMP circuit. It is laid out clearly in the circuit picture that it uses MOVs. The same circuit board is used in all Furman products with SMP. I’m sorry to burst your bubble, but it’s the truth.

Yes, your blog is incorrect, too, and you’ve been spreading false information. Read the series mode patent and look at the SMP circuit. There is NO inductor as the first means of protection. Also, no real series mode products use MOVs. This means by legal definition that SMP is not series mode surge protection. It is a hybrid.

The whole point of series mode technology is to avoid the use of MOVs. It’s fully ironic to use MOVs and call it series mode. It would be akin to saying you’re dying of thirst, and then eating the saltiest food you can, or calling a fat guy slim.

What PS Audio products do you think used series mode? I’m sure old reviews can confirm or deny this. They are not a current licensee, if they ever were.

You are misunderstanding things. I’m saying the SurgeX ASM products are better surge protectors than Furman, because they use no MOVs.

LiFT is a negative, IMHO, as it digs down into the audible region, and throws the baby out with the bath water. I understand some people like that squeaky clean sound.
What specs? There is only one listed, "EVS (Extreme Voltage Shutdown) responds to sustained over voltage conditions (137 V or greater)." The rest is filled with features. The telling one, "VIRTUALLY non-sacrificial." You know, meaning not quite.

Communicate with Garth Powell, or Christos Desalernos at Furman, if you don’t believe SMP uses MOVs. It is very sad that you are totally clueless as to what a MOV looks like.

And Brick Wall doesn’t use Series Multi-stage Protection. They use real series mode technology. That’s okay, I understand that you want your affiliate money, and have no qualms in being a charlatan.
Wow! Erik doesn’t know what a MOV looks like, or how to post a proper link. It is NOT complicated to post a non-affiliate link or one without garbage, unless someone has ulterior motives.

This is the link to use AFTER clearing your internet browser of cookies, and all that’s needed:

https://www.amazon.com/Furman-Aluminum-8-Outlet-Protection-Conditioning/dp/B000YYVLAK