When shield is used as return any electrical noise current induced in the shield will create voltage difference along it - between source/output and destination/input. Input will "see" the difference between output signal wire and output GND, plus noise voltage between both ends of the shield.
The best is to use two wires (signal and return) with shield connected only at one side.
What's better, one conductor or two conductors for an RCA interconnect?
I have a somewhat nice RCA analogue interconnect with one conductor, referred to as a coaxial Cable I guess. But I see higher end RCA cables with two conductors and ground wire. Which is better?
Is better detail provided when connections are made with two conductors?
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Twisted pair exposes both wires evenly to electric and magnetic fields causing identical induced noise currents that cancel. It is extremely efficient, as long as the pitch of the twist is much smaller than wavelength of the offending electrical noise. Shield works great at higher frequencies where, in spite of being non-magnetic, shields by means of skin effect (noise currents flow on the outside - shield). Shielded twisted pair is the best combination. |
I suspect that reason for oscilloscope to have plain coax is capacitance. Twisting wires reduce inductance but increases capacitance - important with scope’s high input impedance and very high measured frequencies. Unfortunately this coax arrangement creates errors. When you short probe and touch tested circuit with shorted leads it will show small amount of noise (in spite of being shorted). It is because current flows from the circuit thru the shield (finding return to GND) causing voltage drop, that shows on the input as signal - exactly what we try to avoid in interconnects by using two wires inside of the shield.
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In single ended connection we are passing signal and reference point (analog ground). There is a loop from the output to input and back by return - analog ground. Induced electrical noise currents in both wires flow in the same direction and cancel. This would work perfectly if there is no other path for return, like when chassis on one side is not earth grounded (II class) or when it is grounded but analog ground is floating on either side. Analog ground is often connected to chassis ground with the large resistor. That would diminish effectiveness of twisted pair a little but still, twisting would help and perhaps that’s why many manufacturers twist single ended wires inside of the shield. |
@deludedaudiophile So, you are not EE. Well, I am - designing low level electronics for 40 years. Sorry I cannot explain it to you better. We agree to disagree. |
Speaker by definition is balanced. Noise currents induced in both wires cancel at the speakers, since there is no other return path. If you question that, then perhaps you should read what Benchmark Media posted on their website in regarding to headphones being always balanced:
The same happens when analog ground is floating on one side - no additional return path, hence inherently balanced connection with single ended output. Analog ground is likely to be connected to chassis ground to reduce noise coupled from the chassis ground to circuitry, but it is often done with resistor of 100k or more. It is because connecting analog ground to chassis on both ends directly or thru large capacitor creates perfect ground loop (earth ground - chassis - analog ground - interconnect - analog ground - chassis - earth ground). That is why Benchmark amp doesn't even have single ended input. This additional return path, possibly thru (two) 100k resistors creates some unbalance, but doesn't completely null usefulness of twisted pair in SE connection and that is why manufacturers use it. For speaker wires it is no-brainer since it reduces noise, reduces inductance (important) and increases slightly capacitance (not-important). |
Impedance between what and what?. Induced noise current flows in the loop output - speaker wire - speaker terminal - speaker impedance - speaker terminal - speaker wire - output impedance - output. In this loop noise currents will cancel, even if you earth ground it at one point (as long as it is one point only). It is just simple loop with pickup (induced current) proportional to area between wires. |
What do you mean current goes the other way? It is the same current - not two different cases. If it cancels at the speaker (no current thru speaker) it means net current in the loop is zero. It will also be zero on the amplifier side (no current in the wires). Impedance in the loop is the same for both wires - you cannot separate them - wires are in series. Presence of the speaker doesn't change anything - we can short it. It is the same wire where two induced currents flow in the opposite direction. What might flow to ground is differential current that is zero. Draw two exactly same current sources of opposite polarities in series and close the loop with resistor. Current in the loop, as well as voltage across resistor will be zero. You can ground it at any point and it won't make a difference - it is floating circuit (no reference to anything). Only connecting it at two points will unbalance currents (alternative path). |
@atmasphere AFAIK we should write symbols of units named after person with capital unit letter V, kV, A, kA, kHz, kW etc. but spelled out units with lowercase : volts, amperes, ohms, watts. Multiplier doesn't change that, so it will be kilovolts, kiloohms, kilowatts, kilohertz. The only exception is when unit contains two words like degree Celsius. |
@jumia At one RCA connector shield and negative/return wire are both soldered at the base of the connector while signal/positive wire is soldered to center pin. On the other side only two wires are soldered while shield is left unconnected/floating. |