What's all the fuss about late 70s and earl 80s run of the mill midfi turntables?


My first table was a Garrard SL95-B. It was really nothing to sing about and you had to pay extra for the plastic base. I graduated from that to a Philips GA 212. Thank God it was located on a concrete slab floor. Still nothing special. Then on to a Sony 2251 LA with an SME 2009 tonearm. This was a real upgrade with an Ortofon MC20 cartridge and transformer. I thought I was doing that thing in tall cotton. Then I met Russ Goddard at The Audible Difference in Palo Alto. He told me to bring my setup to his store and we would do a little A-B comparison. After listening for only a minute or two it was obvious My Sony was not any way near a Linn LP 12 of that time. Anyway the point is most of the common tables from people like Garrard, Dual, Marantz, were just imposters to the real thing. I hold no nostalgic emotion to those tables. I was foolish enough to sell my Linn setup when the writing was on the wall around 1999 regarding vinyl. Big mistake!! I sold all my vinyl, my table with an Ittock arm arm and audio technica OC-9 shibata. A SOTA MC Head Amp designed by John Curl (a collectors item today) for $1000.00. Lock me up. I had every cartridge of the day, Koetsu, Supex, GAS, Fidelity Research. My 2 year old son tore the stylus off my Sleeping Beauty Shibata accindently.

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@ghdprentice    Yes, nostalgia for sure.  I liked my Garrard but swapped it back in the early 70s.

There is a notable number of audiophiles said to have good ears who still use 'upgraded' Garrard 301s and 401s and various Thorens.  Art Dudley was a big case in point.  Many of them allege these old tables are better than modern tables and recent heavyweight $000,000 monsters.  I am a fan of good engineering and certainly not of 200lb+ overkill (not even if gold plated).

But Is there something wrong with their ears?  If so, surely we should be told?

@curiousjim    I don't know how you get 'all the clicks and pops'.  I sometimes get a couple on the run-in groove but very few while the music is playing.  Have you tried not eating dinner off your LPs?

Interesting point about audience noise in concerts.  I wonder why more people don't complain.

@curiousjim      I never found the Zerostat worked well on those fortunately few LPs that got static.  But a few times it was so bad a small crack could be heard when the edge of the disc was earthed.  I bought a Nitty Gritty years ago and still have it.  It cleans the few discs I need to clean very well.

But I have never had the problems you cite with new records.  Yes some had pressing faults you could see and I sent them back.  What kind of cartridges and arms have you used?   I did find when I changed to MC years ago from Shure V2 and V3 that the surface noise diminished a lot.  That was because tracking at 2.5g is a lot more secure and cut through a lot of the crap compared with floating around at 0.95g which was Shure's boast when the idea was to reduce tracking weight as low as possible.  I recall Beograms had  light tracking force.  A silly idea - none of my records has ever worn out - except my original Blonde on Blonde that I played incessantly in 1966 and beyond on my father's Garrard with a flip-over cart, massive 'needle' and a spring applied tracking force that must have been at least 3-4g.  I've got lots of other BonBs now, but that was an original mono bought on the first day, hard to find now.