What kind of power wakes up electrostatic speakers


Is it wpc, high current, both or what? I've been aud-itioning amps with the Final Electrostatic 0.3's (86 db sensitivity). The manufacturer suggests a minimum of 50 wpc to get them going. So far, I've tried a Nakamichi Stasis (150wpc) and an Electrocompaniet AW250DMB(250 wpc).With both,the speakers sounded dull, yet the Parasound HCA 3500 (250wpc & high current)made them sing sweet as can be.
Could somebody be kind enought to explain to me how this stuff works. I need to purchase an amp to drive the Final 0.4's (the big brother to the 0.3's). I'd love to know what
to look for.
I appreciate in advance your help. The source for this
was a Pioneer PD S95.
steakster

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It's really not watts or amps but volts. ESLs are mostly voltage driven devices. However, there is a reactive impedance due to the fact that they are really just capacitors (impedance drops with increasing frequency) that are driven by transformers (voltage step up devices).

Since there is a characteristsic impedance, but one that is reactive - it turns out that in solid state amps it is a good idea to have a large SOA (safe operating area) and a stable design so that the amp doesn't barf on the wierd phase angles and implied current/voltage lead/lag.

In order to move the diaphragm almost only voltage is required - however in practice there is some current wasted in the process. This is why tube amps can be direct coupled to the stators in some designs, even though the plates are actually very high impedance. Current not really required.

For various reasons, imho, there are few solid state amps that shine on ESL loads, while tubes of sufficient power (read power = voltage swing) can often give superior results in the midbass...

There are only a few different variants on the drive transformer circuits used in ESLs. Notoriously bad are the original ML CLS with a nasty dip down into the 2 ohm region, making them a tough to drive speaker in general. Depending upon what the manufacturer of your speaker did in the drive circuit (and there are only a few choices for full range cells - full range cells being like CLS, Acoustat, not Quad 57)you could have a nasty, low Z load to drive. That makes it very hard for all but the very biggest amps to handle, and that narrows the field so much that you may have a hard time finding one that also sounds good.

If you want to do some research look into the patented drive circuit for the Acoustats - it solved this problem very nicely. One can use it for personal use without violating the patents, btw...

For some ESLs it can be a problem to find an amp that will drive the speaker and sound good doing it for the above reasons.
The Innersound amps are pretty nice for the $$... you might
research their heritage though...

There are several ESLs with a benign load impedance curve. The Acoustat stands out as one without any dips below 6 ohms. It all depends upon the drive circuit. I think the Audiostatic has a patented circuit that has similar benefits.

The issue is where do you match the "cells" along their 6dB/oct slope from low freq/high impedance to high freq/low
impedance.

The idea is to NOT match them at one point but at at least two, keeping the impedances in hand... that's what the better full range panels do. The multiway ones (Quad 57) do that automatically...
Sean, which Acoustat?? All of the Acoustats that used the 121 type interface - that included the II,III, IV, VI, VIIs
absolutely do NOT have any impedance dip below 6 ohms. I am not convinced that any did, unless they stopped using Jim Strickland's patented "bi-former" interfaces with the last of the breed - the hybrid Spectra series stuff.

This is the published data for those speakers. My own tests confirm this. Indeed it is the basis for the patent.

As far as the Acoustats "sucking" amps dry is more due to the large voltage swings required for peak output, and deficits in those amplifiers' design. Since ESLs tend to have lower distortion than many cone speakers, the onset of
"distress" is easily heard.

On the other hand, I know at least one person with a very nicely done 35 watt tube amp that drove them with no trouble at all.

Quite a lot of people ran them with receivers too - as long
as you didn't stress the amp (play too loudly) they sounded pretty much ok.

So, I'm not sure what sorts of problems you've encountered with Acoustats - again if it is the later "Spectra" series, all bets are off, as I have no idea what they ended up doing towards the end of the product's life.
Yeah... and I looked around for my original brochure and can't seem to find it...

If the curve is the same, then it would explain a lot about why some amps don't do well on the Acoustats...

My recollection was different, but I have not seen that brochure's file around for a number of years.

oh well, "swiss cheese" syndrome is setting in!

:- )