What kind of outlet wall plate do yo use?


I was reading a post over on AA last week. The post was about outlet wall plates, non magnetic stainless steel wall plates.

I had seen these posts in the past on AA but always passed them over never really reading them. This time I took the time to read the post and reponses to it.

To cut to the chase I went out and found some non magnetic stainless steel outlet plates at a lumber yard. I must stop here and tell you I was a bit skeptical that I would hear any difference in sound from my system.

I pulled the plastic plates from my 3 dedicated duplex outlets and installed the ss plates. I plugged the equipment back in and turned on the system. I let it warm up for about a half hour and then sat down for a listen.

The first CD I listened to was Diana Krall, "The Girl in The Other Room." I could hear a difference right off, but not for the better. Sound stage was small, Krall's piano sounded like a blanket had been thrown over it. The air had been let out of the music.
I listened to a few other CDs with the same results.

I then carefully pulled the ss plates from the outlets for the preamp and the power amp. Just sliding them down on the cords out of the way. I sat back down for a listen. Every thing was back as it was before I had installed the ss plates.

I should mention here my preamp is a Sonic Frontiers line-1, and the power amp is an Audio Research VT50.
The three 20 amp branch circuits are installed in EMT conduit. The rough-in boxes are 4"x4" 2 1/8" deep with a single gang raised device cover for the sheetrock wall and electrical outlet mounting. Wire is #10 awg solid THHN copper. Recepts Leviton 20A Hosp Grade. Branch circuit breakers single pole Square D OQ. Branch circuits breakers installed on the same line in the panel. Distance from electrical panel less than 25ft.

I still was puzzled why there was any difference in sound at all. I then, just for the hell of it, installed two leviton stainless steel plates. One for the power amp outlet and the other for the preamp outlet. A magnet will stick to the leviton plates like gorilla glue...

I plugged the gear back in, turned on the system and let it warm up for about a half hour or so. I then sat down for a listen. The sound, not bad. Remember this is the electrical wall outlet plate. First impressions the sound is darker, vocals smoother, more body, fuller.

I will compare the leviton ss plate to the plastic plate later after my ears have had a chance to adjust to this new sound.

Have any of you guys experimented with the wall outlet cover plates?
Why is there a difference in sound? When I first read the post I thought maybe it was due to the rigidity effect the plate was placing on the electrical outlet. Was it working as a damper of sorts. I mean a non magnetic ss cover plate verses a plastic plate.
Why did the non magnetic ss plate degrade the sound of my system?
With the Leviton ss plates are they providing shielding, in effect a Faraday cage.

By the way I asked the person, who posted the thread, why the plate changed the sound on his system. Some of those tweakers can be quite defensive when you question them. Though he was not others were.
I also should mention the member is using solid state gear.

Jim

jea48

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Lots of talk about this outlet cover plate, pros & con. $199.00 each....
Oyaide WPC-XXX outlet cover plate.
http://www.vhaudio.com/acreceptacles.html
>>"You people have to be on drugs or kidding."<<
Rwwear"
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Nope..... When it comes to audio I keep an open mind. I will believe anything out there untill proven otherwise.

This simple tweak will cost you about 3 or 4 bucks to buy a few plates. You may even have a little fun in the process.
Rwwear, tell you what I will do. If you have a separate outlets for your preamp and power amp you buy 2 non magnetic ss plates, 2 magnetic ss wall plates, and 2 Pass & semour nylon plates as Albert suggested. Try them, If you do not hear a difference, good or bad, in the sound of your system send me an email with your address and I will refund your purchase price of the plates up to $8.00.

If you do or do not hear a difference with the plates you will post back here on this thread of your findings...Sound fair?

>>"The best outlet plate is no outlet plate. An outlet plate can only add distortion, eliminate it if you can." >>>>>

Yep. someone posted that one also on AA. I tried it. On my system the sound was thin, bass was light...

Fellas I know to some of you this cover plate thing sounds nuts.


>>"Jea, those other folk not only don't know why the sound changes the way it does, they don't care, either...which is, IMO, the way it ought to be. What we ought to care about is the quality of the sound, about carefully determining how the sound has changed and determining if the changes are for better or worse"<<
[Jeffreybehr]

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Kind of says it all doesn't it....
>>"However, if I place a plastic outlet cover over the silver fillings on the right side of my mouth everything sounds really liquid. So far my wife hasn't complained about the drool stains on my shirts."<<
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Grant did you try a nylon cover plate by chance.

Your story of the drool stains on your shirts reminded of Dudley Moore in the move "10". I can still see him after his visit to the Dentist in the coffee shop, LOL.

Jim
Albertporter, Last night I stopped at Home Depot. They did not have any of the Pass & Seymour nylon plates, but they did have some made by Leviton. Leviton ProGrade "Midway" Unbreakable nylon commercial grade. Kind of pricey, 44 cents each.

I listened to my system last night for about 2 hours. With the Leviton nylon plate my system has a slightly different sonic signature than the Leviton ss plate. Bass was about the same. Vocals were very smooth. The nylon plate did not quite have the bloom the ss plate had. That is the ss plate with the trim screw removed. With the trim screw used the sound of the nylon plate was better.

Tonight I stopped at Menards, a midwestern lumber yard, to see if they had the P&S plates you are using. I think they are the same, TP8-W, W=white, 27 cents each.... I pulled the Leviton nylon plates and installed the nylon P&S plates. Plugged the gear back in turned on the system and let things warm up for about 45 min or so. I then sat down for a listen. Again I could hear a difference in sound with the P&S plates. Compared to the nylon Leviton plates the sound from my system, with the P&S plates, there was more air, more detail, very clean. Vocals, not quite as smooth. Bass did not seem to be as deep.

Albert I would not begin to compare my modest audio system to yours. But if you get a chance would you try the Leviton plates I described above and give us your thoughts.

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Members,
I spoke earlier of the sound from my system using the stainless steel plates and not using the trim screw. I discovered this by accident. When I first installed them I fastened them to the duplex outlet with the trim screw. When I wanted to listen without the ss plate I removed the screws from the plates and pulled the plates onto the power cords. When I wanted to hear the effect with the plates I just pushed them back over the outlet, placing a small piece of scotch tape on the top of the plate to the wall to hold it in place.

NEC 2005 406.5 (B)
"Grounding. Metal faceplates shall be grounded."

Jim


>>"When did they move the Brooklyn Bridge to Arizona?"<<
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I think you have your bridges mixed up. They moved the London bridge to Arizona.....
>>"If one can hear the difference between cables, one should surely be able to hear a capacitor in line with his equipment. After all, they make a difference in speakers. And if someone did make an amplifier that sounded like tubes, who would admit it that it did?"<<
[12-25-04: Rwwear]
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Ah, you are not one of those that believes the world is flat....
Spiro, thank you for your response. The whole thing about an outlet cover plate changing the sound of my system is still a mystery to me, but my ears tell me it is a fact.

So far experimenting with various cover plates, the plate that yields the best sound for me from my system is the Leviton magnetic stainless steel plate. Problem is to achieve the desired sound, the plate is not bonded, grounded, to the equipment ground via way of the 6/32 trim
screw......
Here is an answer to a question I posted on AA. I asked him if he would test the SS plates in the manner I am presently using them.
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Posted by Al Sekela (A) on February 10, 2006 at 09:53:28

In Reply to: Al, my system is dead quite. posted by jea48 on February 8, 2006 at 14:49:09:

">>I just finished a five-way comparison of outlet cover plates (on 2-gang metal box):
1. no outlet plate (old standard);
2. magnetic SS outlet plate with Nylon screws (verified not grounded with ohmmeter);
3. same, but with one steel screw to ground it;
4. same as 3. with magnets stuck to outside of plate;
5. High-abuse Nylon plate with Nylon screws. Also tested with both 2-gang boxes covered with Nylon plates.

Test CD was Shirley Horn, _You Won't Forget Me_, Verve 847 482-2.

Numbers 1 and 5 were so close I decided to leave the Nylon plates in place.

Number 2 gave an added sense of air and resonance, which led me to test the SS plate for acoustic ringing. It rings like a bell with a pure, sweet, high sustained tone, and a lot of atonal immediate crash like a cymbal. With this thing vibrating near the outlet and not grounded, it is acting like a dynamo and converting acoustic vibration into electrical noise within the power circuit and/or safety earth.

Numbers 3 and 4 dulled the sound compared to number 1: not in the sense of lost treble, but in a lack of midrange presence. With my system tuned up, I can hear Shirley smile as she sings, "...should there be eyes like [:)]yours..." near the beginning of track 12, "You Stepped Out of a Dream." This sense of a smile was diminished with treatments 3 and 4. The piano tone was also less appealing in general. Her voice seemed less cohesive over her range.

Thus, my results are similar to yours with respect to grounded versus floating plates, but I believe the apparent improvement with the ungrounded plate is due to euphonic coloration rather than increased detail retrieval. You can confirm this by listening carefully with the ungrounded plate in place, and then with it removed. Other inmates have observed improved performance with no plate at all on the outlet, but clearly this is not safe for most people and violates code. In my case, anyone who approached the uncovered outlets would probably have died from tripping over the equipment and cables before reaching the outlets, so I was not concerned about the safety aspect. The Nylon plates' appearance matches the other outlets in the room, so I will leave them on."<<
[Al Sekela]
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/tweaks/messages/127995.html
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Update:
I have found that using different receptacle outlets changes the sound effect obtained by the outlet cover plates.

I moved from the Leviton 8300 hosp Grade outlets to the Hubbell 5362IG outlets. Then onto the Cryoed Hubbell 8300H Hosp Grade duplex outlets. I am presently using the Pass & Seymour nylon plates. At the present time I prefer the sound from the combo.

In each case when I changed the outlets I would install the Leviton SS ferromagnetic cover plates using a nylon supporting screw. I wanted to keep the cover plate the constant and hear the difference in sound the receptacle might make.

The Hubbell 5362IG receptacle/Leviton SS plate/nylon screw.
For the Amp and Preamp I preferred this combo best over all other cover plate combo. The Hubbell 5362 beat the Leviton 8300 outlet hands down.

The CDP was a different story with the Hubbell 5362IG outlet. For the cover plate I found the Cooper non ferromagnetic plate/nylon support screw sounded the best for me.

The HBL8300H/Leviton/nylon screw (amp and Preamp outlets only). I listened to this combo for a total of about 10 hours off and on. Imho the sound from my system was not as good with the HBL8300H as it was with the same plate combo, hubbell 5362IG outlets.
I pulled the Leviton SS plate from the HBL8300H outlets and installed the P&S nylon plate. Imho the P&S nylon plate is best suited for the cryoed HBL8300H over the Leviton SS plate/nylon screw.

I have yet to change out the CDP outlet to the HBL8300H outlet, not sure I will. I like the sound of the Hubbell 5362IG outlet. Just a note, my dedicated branch circuits are installed in metallic EMT conduit and metallic rough-in boxes.
Jim

I ran across this thread while doing some research for another thread on this forum.......
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Posted by rcrump ( M ) on March 21, 2003 at 01:28:05
In Reply to: Genuine insanity: What kind of cover plate do I need? posted by rhizomatic on March 20, 2003 at 09:10:15:

I made some power strips probably fifteen years ago using some black plastic boxes and ordered some really beautiful cast brass plates for the fourplex boxes only to find that the solid brass made the sound just bright as the devil....A couple of nylon screws and some tape on the backside of the plate took care of the problem....Aluminum doesn't have that sort of problem BTW....



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Albert,
Bob was definitely ahead of his time. Note the time, 15 years before his post he found he could change the sound with the type of cover plate he used for his power strips. 1988, were you experimenting with receptacles and cover plates in 1988? I sure wasn't.
Sure, maybe by mistake, he found out it was the grounded brass cover plate that was causing his problem. In 1988 who would of thought a brass plate was causing the problem... Bob didn't say how long it took to find his problem. Or for that fact solving the problem by isolating the brass plate from ground.

I like his subtle comment about using aluminum. Curious, was he using aluminum for the face plates of his power strips? If so, I wonder how many years he used aluminum and didn't bother to say why he was using it.
Jim
Albert, the price on a CTC Blowtorch has never been negotiable, no insiders discount nor accommodation.
07-31-07: Essentialaudio

Not sure why Albertporter did not respond.

Price may not have been the issue.....

Might have been a design feature Albert wanted.

Did you know Bob Crump built at least one CTC Blowtorch with a single two ganged volume control instead of the standard two separate volume controls?
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Jea, were you the happy customer that got the blowtorch with single two ganged volume control?
Albert,

No, not me....

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Re: There were only 38 every made and I know where
Posted by jea48 (A) on September 25, 2005 at 15:13:59
In Reply to: There were only 38 every made and I know where posted by rcrump on September 24, 2005 at 18:02:48:

Bob did you build one for a man named John in New Hampshire?

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Re: Yes, John Zellers who resides in Concord. It is
Posted by rcrump (M) on September 26, 2005 at 12:00:25
In Reply to: Re: There were only 38 every made and I know where posted by jea48 on September 25, 2005 at 15:13:59:

a very special unit as it has a stereo pot and no phase switch and was the second one to be produced.......

Jim