What is turntable “liveliness”.


I have listened to turntables for sixty years. I bought my first high end TT about thirty years… it was revelatory. I do not swap tables often. I do a huge amount of research and then stay with one for fifteen years or so. My most recent upgrade was from a VPI Aries (heavy mass) to a Linn LP12 (light weight, sprung)…very nearly the very top level. Could we please not turn this into a religious thing about Linn… mine is an outstanding TT which compares favorably with any other $45K analog leg (TT, cartridge, and Phonostage)

The term lively comes up in descriptions. One of the differences in character I noticed between the VPI and Linn… which I thought might be considered liveliness was to me a bit of what I perceived as the images very slightly jumping around… the kind of thing you would think of when you see films of “The Flash” maybe vibrating in place. While I found this gave me the feeling of the notes wanting to jump out at me, I found it a bit disconcerting. I attributed it to a relatively light weight rig, that is really good at rejecting low frequency vibrations (it is a sprung table… known to be lively sounding) up to a relatively high frequency… but beyond that not. Something a really heavy rig would not be effected by.

 

To test my theory, I had a Silent Running Ohio Class vibration platform constructed for my turntable. The image smear, as I called it disappeared. There is no smear and it has great solidity.

Is this attribute “liveliness”?

ghdprentice

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I have never experienced the "jittery image" you describe - that is wild, but glad you resolved it with better isolation :)

As far as "lively" sound, I would attach more to tonal balance placing relative emphasis on higher parts of the frequency spectrum. Having now experienced VPI decks for over a year - I would say they generally have a dark tonal balance. Much more so with the 3D arm materials. The opposite of "lively". They are VERY reactive in audible bass frequencies if your isolation is not good enough (again, especially 3D materials) - this probably feeds into the "dark" character I perceived, but it persists to some degree even with better isolation. I ended up preferring their later metal arm wand builds.

By contrast, the Clearaudio Innovation decks tread into slightly "lively" territory. Very clean, tight, and fast in bass. Very clean midband without sounding sterile. Clean, crisp treble without sounding bright. Some might wish for more overall bass energy, but it’s enough for me. These tables are not reactive in audible frequencies (which probably contributes to their "clean" character), but rather they are VERY reactive in subsonic frequencies due to the magnetic bearing. It doesn’t affect the audible spectrum until your woofers are flapping like crazy and /or your amp is pushed into clipping.

The SOTA decks (Nova, Cosmos) sonically fall smack in-between these two. Not dark like the VPIs, but not quite so clean as the Clearaudio. Very nice "musical" balance, and with superb built-in isolation. You should still try to avoid the suspension getting excited during playback (it benefits from rigid support).

I've used a few different models of all 3 brands with different rooms, isolation, arms, and cartridges, phono stages etc. The sonic "character" I speak of is extracted and averaged from that. 

Thank you for your comments. I find my observations very roughly follow yours… but you mention dark… I my observational word is solidity. So, definitely not the same but in a broad spectrum… over in the same area. I’ll have to ponder your comments some more.

@ghdprentice  I can definitely see "solidity" being a better term in some contexts. My friend with an HW-40 would call it "solidity" too. Your isolation & support structure, and gear partners (especially cartridge) matter a lot. Choice of arm (metal vs. 3D) also influences this. I think it's no coincidence VPI partners with Van den Hul (lively with lots of top-end energy) and Audio-Technica cartridges. I had great results with a VdH Crimson on VPI, and even more impressive w/ Colibri on Avenger if not for that Colibri being a bit of a sibilance machine (not the table's fault).

Across a number of contexts made as similar-as-possible, I extrapolated the VPI tables as being a bit "dark" relative to SOTA and Clearaudio Innovations. The Avenger more so than Aries 3. The 3D / Fatboy arms more so than metal.

I really really liked AirTight PC-7 on VPI tables; it can be a little hot on Clearaudio but wow on a VPI. Too bad it was discontinued :(