What is Tight Bass?


I’m confused. Speaker size with a large woofer…can it be tight?

is it about efficiency? Amp power? Electrostatic?

moose89

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Standing in closer proximity to an upright bass playing spells everything most any hifi speaker can’t reproduce. At one point I walked around an upright bass on a theater stage during a rehearsal, and in conjunction what I’ve heard at quite a few live concerts was struck by the sheer physical, resonating fullness and immersive and harmonically rich presence it produced. This wasn’t "tightness" but more like the very opposite, and if a speaker was actually able to faithfully reproduce it I’m quite most would claim it to be loose, underdamped bass, when in fact this is what it can sound like for real.

I vital aspect here is the accompanying physicality, which most domestic speakers simply cannot come close to replicating, let alone effortlessly. Indeed, "fullness" for it to be felt fairly authentic with an instrument like an upright bass requires lots of displacement and headroom, and therefore it’s not a scalable feature of sound reproduction that one can successfully minimize. Perhaps some tube amps with their typically looser and warmer bass reproduction is a compensation of sorts for a lack of displacement in most speakers, that adds to the sensation of the lower frequencies being more authentic or natural sounding.

Many hifi setups strike me as sounding overdamped in the bass and yet at the same time too forced or "pulsating" even. With electronic non-acoustic music this mayn’t be a hindrance, in fact it can give the opposite impression and being an advantage, but with acoustic instruments (and environments) in particular many if not most simply fall short. To make matters worse lesser bass reproduction (be that for reasons of poor implementation or other) has a tendency to be gained down for it not to be too conspicuous, which further robs the overall sound of a foundation and fullness that should ideally be present.

Using an active setup myself (with prodigious displacement, high eff. and headroom) I’ve sometimes found the subs gain to be a little tricky depending on the material that is being played, though I’m fairly close now to a fixed setting that serves both one and the other genre, or one that may prioritize a range of music slightly more than others if not being a more balanced "middle road" setting. Classical music generally will happily take more sub gain for it to simply sound more real (mostly we’re only talking increments of 0.25dB’s here, so it’s close, but you’d be surprised to find them audible nonetheless), whereas this higher gain setting can potentially be detrimental to other, electronic genres. If one day I’m in a particular classical mood the subs gain may be increased a bit, but mostly it’s a one-setting-fits-most call.

I’m using a Belles SA30 Class A power amp (30 watts) for the frequency range ~600Hz on up by a 111dB sensitive horn/driver combo, and high power Class D variants for the spectrum below with a sensitivity rating here at 97 and 100dB respectively. Total output capacity sits at +2kW per channel - again, fully actively coupled, so no intervening passive cross-overs to compromise an amp's power delivery and control over the driver. That’s one of the charms with active configuration: use Class A where it matters the most and needs the less wattage, and the higher power amps where it’s more in demand.

@mijostyn --

".. good for you. It sounds like you are working on a great system. There are no passive crossovers in my system either, wouldn't do it any other way. The best crossover is no crossover, passive at least. In my system there is only one digital crossover for the subwoofers. Otherwise, the Sound Labs operate full range, 100 Hz to 20 kHz."

Thank you. 

Paradoxically (in a sense), as you might know with your own floor-to-ceiling Sound Labs, very large speakers can present sound in such a way that makes the listener less aware of them actually being speakers - not least compared to smaller speakers, and despite their imposing physical stature and presence. Spatially, smaller 2-way "monitor" speakers in particular are generally thought of as being good at the "disappearing" act, but their small size is an easy give-away to the mind that this is nonetheless a reproduction. This is where physics, size and height matters and with it a range of "macro parameters" that are vital for the more adulterated sense of music just happening in front of the listener with proper scaling, dynamics and a sense of effortlessness, more than coming from a speaker per se. 

Stuff like that interests and intrigues me, and I deem trying to accommodate core physics in audio reproduction leagues more important than cultivating ad nauseam a smaller, direct radiating package to eventually cost a fortune; it's still a small package, just like a gazillion $$ dome tweeter is still a dome tweeter, a small woofer is still woofer, the same with passive cross-overs, etc. 

With the Sound Labs you've taken the "no (passive) cross-over" part a step further by having a large "full-range" ESL element covering from 100Hz up to the human hearing limit, with no frequency divide between different transducer elements in this entire range - that's of vital importance. The only filtering applied, I assume, is a high-pass filter cutting off the Sound Labs below 100Hz (or thereabouts) to your subs. 

While I can't afford the luxury of such an approach with a wideband, floor-to-ceiling ESL element (apart from being a horn guy), I've sought the solution of a driver element pairing that in dispersion characteristics matches very well at the single cross-over point in the main speakers, making the sound rather wideband as well as unrestricted in overall size and height. Lately a non-audiophile friend of mine remarked how my current, large auditorium pro cinema speakers were actually the most "discrete" sounding of all my speakers these last ~20 years he'd heard (which includes smaller 2-way stand-mounted speakers), despite their largest size of all the speakers I've owned, because they "didn't sound like speakers" with "music just existing in front of him." That's the kind of feedback from non-audiophiles I like and appreciate, because they're not "conditioned" to our vocabulary nor prejudiced with speaker types, price and their segment origin.