What is more accurate , the fozgometer or the diplay of the oscilloscoop


Would like to know sure about the azimuth of the cartridge ,a visual check first ,than the result of the fozgo , just a bit differance between the left and right channel , than both channels in mono , green led and a little shiny of the red led for the right side .Than looking at the display of my techtronix dual beam oscilloscoop , both channels 
even , no differance in amplitude . Playing a piece of music , perfect ! What is true ? Can you adjust your cartridge with the fozgo with results in the description ? Ofcourse I did the calibration of the fozgo.

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You can do a quick visual check first by dropping the stylus on a mirror. The mirror doubles the visible angle, making it easier to see with the naked eye. I would still recommend that you go further than a physical inspection. Sometimes the stylus isn't mounted exactly perpendicular to the top of the cart body. You can't see that when you do a visual inspection.

You really don't need the fozgometer or a scope to set azimuth. A DMM will work just as well. But is has to be a really good one like a Fluke. If you do use a scope, keep in mind that they vary in quality. If you're not sure how good your scope is, trust the fozgometer or the DMM. 

Also, if you don't have an azimuth adjustment, just leave it alone. Shimming the cart can do more harm than good.
Doing it by ear sounds like a good idea, but I would only do it as a last resort. First, it requires a fair amount of experience and practice to get good at it. Its far easier and faster for someone who's never done it before to just use a DMM. As long as the DMM is a quality unit, it will be more accurate than going by ear. There's no guesswork involved. When you're done, you know its right.

There's other factors to consider as well. The article you reference talks about tuning the room to compensate for the azimuth being off. Again, at first glance it sounds like a good idea, but its not. When room tuning is brought up, the first thing you usually think about is tuning the room vs eq/processing. There's a downside to using an eq because you're fooling with the signal in ways that can have a big effect on SQ. There's no downside to adjusting the azimuth directly. If its off, adjusting it will always be a positive thing. If you choose to leave the azimuth alone and use an indirect method of adjustment, you now have 2 problems. First, if the azimuth is off due to the stylus not being perpendicular to the top of the cart body, you still have the crosstalk. Fooling with external factors to get a center image can't eliminate the crosstalk, so its only a partial fix. Second, what do you do if you have more than one source? If you play a CD, now that's going to be off because you made proprietary adjustments meant for your TT only. When you make changes to your room, they apply to all sources, not just one. 
" My now retired piano tuner did everything by ear and he did an awesome job.  My current (younger aged) piano tuner does everything with electronic instruments with equally good results.  Moral of the story, today's electronic instruments have the ability to replace years of training, skill, and talent. Today we have options."

I don't see how any of that applies here. Not only that, the last 2 sentences are just plain wrong (unless there's a communication issue and I don't understand your statement as you meant it.). An azimuth adjustment is in no way similar to tuning a piano. Azimuth is an angle. It has nothing to do with music, and its either right or wrong. You may be able to get it partially adjusted by ear, or maybe by sight, but to get the best results, measurements need to be taken.

As for the rest of it, unless you're talking about specific areas where certain electronics may be able to do a better job than the ear, you may have something. If you mean it to be a blanket statement, its not even close to being true. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how to measure timber. 

" @mb1audio02 -- unfortunately you’re plain wrong when it comes to measuring azimuth using a test tone and whatever instruments you choose. As Joel notes in the piece I linked to crosstalk is not consistent with frequency and unless you have the time and patience to measure at multiple frequencies setting by ear will give the best results"

You may want to actually ready my posts first before telling me what I said in them. I have no idea what method you are referring to. But I can tell you that Brooks Berdan showed me this method years ago, and that's good enough for me. No offense to Victor, but I'll call him if I need help building an amp.  

Don't bother trying to bait me into a senseless argument on this. I'm not responding to it. And yes, I understand the first thing you'll say is that if I don't respond, I'm wrong and that I'll lose credibility in the AG community. Believe me when I tell you I'm perfectly OK with that.