Mapman,
I may understand in a general way what they are saying but I am not a quantum physicist. The highly technical explanations do not prevent me from trying out their products and enjoying the benefits of products that I do not understand. This also goes for Synergistic Research and many other companies. If you can figure out what some of them are saying you may win an award. But not understanding everything does not deter me at all.
Mapman,
You stated, "I'd rather spend my time and money trying something for a reason other than because someone else said to or that it is good." I am the exact opposite. I try things because others say they are good. The only thing that matters to me are results, not explanations. There is no more powerful reason for me to try a product than strong testimonials.
Csmgolf,
I have never experienced any negative effects with Bybee products in my system.
Onhwy61,
Taunting is what Geoffkait does best here, as we all observe by the way he personalizes his responses. Which is why I have pointed out that he is not in the same league as Robert Neill of Worldwide Wholesales (HiDiamonnd Cables), Bobby Palkovic of Merlin Music and Ted Denney of Synergistic Research who are gentlemen on these forums.
Geoffkait cannot even answer the simple question, "And how many Bybee products did you say you have in your system?"
Note to self. Since the moderator continues to allow Geoffkait's inappropriate posts the best thing is just to ignore him. |
Geoffkait,
Saying that you are not in the league of gentlemen vendors like Robert Neill, Bobby Palkovic and Ted Denney is not a taunt. It is obvious. It is stated as a fact that we observe as you continue to post here. In French this is called "une constatation" -- an observation of fact.
On the contrary, it looks like you must be hung up on some posters with your obvious need to post "inappropriate and inflammatory" posts on an ongoing basis. These kinds of posts are often flagged by the moderator and dropped. In your case, they are giving you slack -- for whatever reason.
From reading this thread, there do not appear to be many posters who relish your puerile attitude. And this is also not a taunt. It is a fact that can be observed by the way many posters feel about your participation here. Your latest post is one of many that exhibit this attitude on your part.
This is a lamentable situation that your posts are attracting such a negative response from other posters. It is not lamentable for me because I am only one of many people who post, buy and sell on Audiogon. It is lamentable for you as a vendor to be cultivating this sort of reputation -- and apparently with relish. This is a very odd way to run a business. IMO. I don't believe Robert Neill, Bobby Palkovic or Ted Denney would have much of a business left if they conducted themselves in like manner here. |
Geoffkait,
My response seems to have struck a nerve with you, which is understandable. It is very accurate but it is not personal at all. As I pointed out in my previous post, my remarks are an observation of fact and nothing more. The problem is not that you could not care less what I think of you -- the problem is that you could not care less what anyone thinks of you when you post here -- in stark contrast to vendors like Robert Neill of Worldwide Wholesales (HiDiamond cables), Bobby Palkovic of Merlin Music and Ted Denney of Synergistic Research. As I have pointed out earlier, it is lamentable that any vendor who wishes to garner respect and credibility on Audiogon should choose to express themselves in these forums in the way that you have done. |
Mapman,
I would like to take you up on that. Invitation reciprocated. |
Gbmcleod,
Thanks for this very interesting post. You are correct in that components have to be capable of projecting holographic sound for it to be manifested by the system. You cannot squeeze orange juice from an apple.
Imaging and holographic sound go hand in hand. Images projected clearly in space with air around them help create the illusion of holography. It is the extent to which these properties are present that determines the quality of the holographic sound. And it is not simply a matter of holographic or not holographic. There are many, many gradations of holographic sound.
I have found that cabling and tweaks can greatly enhance the holographic illusion that components allow. Without these special elements in my system the level of holography would be a 3 or 4 instead of a 7 or 8.
Listing components will only provide an impression of what can be done regarding holography because I run my front end in series and I also run cables in series with some unique tweaks.
Here is my front end:
isolation transformer > QB4 > Bybee Stealth > power regenerator
I have added many levels of AC purifiers to the system as well as DIY tweaks that are unique to my system.
Here are my downstream components:
PS Audio transport
Antelope Zodiac + Voltikus DAC
Atma-Sphere S-30 power amp
Joseph Audio Pulsar monitors
I will be experimenting with new DACs in the near future.
But this only tells part of the story on the downstream side because I run many levels of tweaks here, as well, which, incrementally, add to the holographic portrayal. I use Bybee GG speaker bullets in series with SR speaker cells and Schumann resonance devices parallel with QRT Symphonies and Steinmusic Harmonizers as well as a number of other tweaks both DIY and commercial. |
There is also another old saying -- you cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. You cannot imbue a component with properties that it does not inherently possess. The laws of physics apply. There is no mystery or magic or secret here.
In my opinion, using the forum for commercial purposes -- as was obviously done here -- is inappropriate. This belongs in the advertising area of Audiogon, IMO. |
Geoffkait,
I have no idea where you come up with all this. Don't be intentionally cryptic -- something you cultivate with relish to further your agenda on these forums. Say what you mean. Who said what component did what? |
Geoffkait,
This is not an "old law of physics" nor is it an "argument". The laws of physics are immutable physical laws -- not "old" laws of physics that no longer apply and may be broken by anyone at will. They cannot be defied or "broken" by anyone making a bold verbal declaration -- and most certainly not by anyone with an active imagination and an obvious commercial agenda. This is not an "argument". It is a fact.
With all due respect, you talk about an amazing product -- SteinMusic Harmonizers -- as though it were ipso facto to be disbelieved and as though it were only supported by "naysayers" and as though it were defying the laws of physics. Your logic is completely inverted -- and cunning. I note that you couch your remarks in the phrase "your ... device". This is not my device. This is Mr. Stein's device.
I reiterate: members who try to use the forums as a nettle under the skin, as you do, and to promote their own commercial agenda, as you do, should use the advertising option provided by Audiogon. To my ears your posts always have that self-serving ring to them with the red warning light flashing. I have never seen your products appear beside serious audio tweaks in any system of merit. Nor have I seen them lauded by anyone but you. Until such time as this changes you will always be considered a most marginal participant in the audio world -- an opportunist using the forums to try to attract the attention of those who may be susceptible. |
Geoffkait,
I note how you have deftly glided by the content of my posts -- creating a tangent of "angst and frustration" of your own conjuring. How clever.
I reiterate: merchants like yourself who wish to trawl the forums for commercial purposes should use the advertising services available at Audiogon. |
Gbmcleod,
It is obvious you have a lot of experience with this. I find that everything matters. But once the system gets to a high level then room treatment is where to concentrate to take things to higher levels.
My room is about 15 x 14 feet. I have done a lot with it and have made great progress using:
Shakti Holographs
Synergistic Research ART
QRT Symphony Pros
SteinMusic Harmonizers
Schumann resonance devices
There is not much else I can do with the room at this point because of space restrictions and irregular shape. I will eventually have a rectangular shaped room 20 x 30 feet to work with. We'll see how things sound when I move my system to the new room.
Regarding using cables in series, I am aware that few audiophiles understand this approach and fewer yet have experience with "multiple runs of wiring". There are a few people daisy-chaining their front end as I do. They have posted about this on other sites. Daisy chaining the front end means a longer signal path which flies in the face of the "shorter-the-signal-path-the-better-the-sound" school. There is no question that daisy chaining has created an amazing improvement in SQ in my system:
isolation transformer > power conditioner > power regenerator
Three additional levels of power cords are required here -- hardly a short signal path. I use Bybee AC purifiers sandwiched between PCs, one of which I DIY with my own proprietary mod. This greatly enhances the SQ as well. Unconventional -- yes. An improvement? Very much so. |
Gbmcleod,
You make some very good points. But, in my opinion, you cannot treat a room that has no components in it. There is no sound to treat. I think the room treatments I use could be applied in most high end rooms but their implementation will vary according to the needs of each system and the idiosyncrasies of each room. At the moment I am limited by the size of my room and its irregular features. God willing, one day I will have a bigger room and will be able to experiment with room treatment in a way that is impossible at the moment. |
Gbmcleod,
Yes -- while you can treat the room before you put the components in the room the real work will come when are faced with the problem of treating the room with the components (and wiring) in place. You will need to move things around a lot to fine tune everything to the specific needs of your system. |
