What do we hear when we change the direction of a wire?


Douglas Self wrote a devastating article about audio anomalies back in 1988. With all the necessary knowledge and measuring tools, he did not detect any supposedly audible changes in the electrical signal. Self and his colleagues were sure that they had proved the absence of anomalies in audio, but over the past 30 years, audio anomalies have not disappeared anywhere, at the same time the authority of science in the field of audio has increasingly become questioned. It's hard to believe, but science still cannot clearly answer the question of what electricity is and what sound is! (see article by A.J.Essien).

For your information: to make sure that no potentially audible changes in the electrical signal occur when we apply any "audio magic" to our gear, no super equipment is needed. The smallest step-change in amplitude that can be detected by ear is about 0.3dB for a pure tone. In more realistic situations it is 0.5 to 1.0dB'". This is about a 10% change. (Harris J.D.). At medium volume, the voltage amplitude at the output of the amplifier is approximately 10 volts, which means that the smallest audible difference in sound will be noticeable when the output voltage changes to 1 volt. Such an error is impossible not to notice even using a conventional voltmeter, but Self and his colleagues performed much more accurate measurements, including ones made directly on the music signal using Baxandall subtraction technique - they found no error even at this highest level.

As a result, we are faced with an apparently unsolvable problem: those of us who do not hear the sound of wires, relying on the authority of scientists, claim that audio anomalies are BS. However, people who confidently perceive this component of sound are forced to make another, the only possible conclusion in this situation: the electrical and acoustic signals contain some additional signal(s) that are still unknown to science, and which we perceive with a certain sixth sense.

If there are no electrical changes in the signal, then there are no acoustic changes, respectively, hearing does not participate in the perception of anomalies. What other options can there be?

Regards.
anton_stepichev

Showing 6 responses by oldhvymec

Oh we have another SMART SNARK.. ok smart snark, here we go..

Your wrong... I know for a FACT the remote used on the crawler to move the shuttle and all the Saturn 5 rockets was in fact wired that way..

Off the spool, looked at and assembled, that is the way ALL critical runs of remote cable USED to be made at Holt..

BTW every cable I ever made for the last 35 year, I respected the fact that cables can be made BETTER.. AND for 35 year I made field repairs with DIRECTION in mind.... It’s tough enough to work on DC much less figure out how to make it work over LONG runs.. Oh yes, it’s a lot more that just resistance when it comes to working on cables.. A LOT MORE..

AC is king, but the reality of that is, DC will drive MOST AC or high current electricians wondering HOW to fix a circuit.. I’ve seen it countless times. Just wiring a boat trailer or something.. LOL

Low voltage guys get it.. they really do... A trained electrician.. LOL My WHOLE family on both sides, electricians, mechanics, nurses and cops, there is the occasional lawyer and convict, but that’s the same thing ..

Right... Lawyers and convicts, Cops and convicts.. Same thing to me..
One didn’t get caught one was stupid enough to get caught.. No difference..

Still family.. LOL

Semi-Regards.. That's a 5 out of 10 on the regards scale.. So we're still ok.. For NOW...
The crawler does not need high reliability, and I have actually been involved in the development of products that went into space.

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Well then you should know that the crawler is most critical part of the whole darn thing. And without precision that Shuttle or Saturn 6 wouldn’t make it to the launch site.. It’s just as hard to go slow, without tearing up stuff as going fast.. In layman’s terms.. Apparently you think things like cranes, drilling equipment, and in general heavy equipment are low tech stuff..

MAN on MAN, you get to enjoy a nice meal and a beautiful house ONLY because of it.. Plane and simple.. You EAT because of me... Not in spite of me.. Silly person..

I’m reflecting what I’ve learned from actual experience not because I was on the design TEAM, No No No.. I was on the other end of the REPAIR team...AFTER people wouldn’t listen....

Remember the O-RING.. BOOM....

Seems that same team is still somewhat employed.. When was the last time we were on the moon.. Remind me again. oh mighty designer..

Most of the teams were compiled of people with an AA, think about that.. Now that won't get you an application at Wal Mart.. BUT 60 years ago it got you a job at NASA.. LOL Smarter? OK if you say so..
Thank God GAS passes one direction, you'd be smellin' your own FARTS.. Cable is the same way.. But that gas may have come out of your ears, for all I know. Maybe you do have a gas problem.. I know your full of,  well let's just call it misinformation.. BUT it's actually $hit..

You two stick around, for 10 more minutes and READ. Instead of talk..

Please don't show you're complete dummies..

Again Semi-Regard.. I'll give you a 6 out of 10 on the regard scale..
One possible physical reason for directionality of cables is due to the direction in which the wire is drawn and voids and irregularities that result from the drawing process.

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This is the closest explanation I’ve found that actually reflect what we hear..

The WAY the conductor is drawn through the die is EXACTY how a direction is placed on cable. If you look at the extrusion process the actual material lays like tiles, lapping over each other in a DIRECTION, much the way a roof is laid. Bottom to top.

GUESS what that same analogy works for a conductive construct like WIRE. Try placing a roof BACKWARDS from the top to the bottom, NOT bottom to top...

That lapping, how much O2, and the purity of the construct or an actual alloy for a conductor and the way it was FORDGED is WHY we have a crystal type formation. It crystal LIKE structure is conducive to direction, NOT ABSOLUTE.. It’s not or ever has been a question of HOW a conductor like OCC is made, NOW take advantage of the NOW KNOW increase in sonic difference BETWEEN one direction vs the other direction.

There is a physical reason for wire and constructs to sound different one way and not the other.. No different than in a fuse, IF you look at the wire inside a typical busman fuse, under a microscope, you will see the same tool marks in the thermal wire... It looks like flakes laying over each other much the same way a ROOF tile is laid.

Again this ain’t rocket science, but I’ll BET you good money that NASA used that technology when wiring up the shuttle, they looked at the cable and HOW the wire WORKED.. Nothing was assumed with 100 year old electrical tech.. It just didn’t happen..

Off the spool and under a microscope. James B of Ampzilla did it 50 years ago.. He KNEW cable and wire sounded different one way than the other... Why do you think he literally WELDED the power cable in place the RIGHT DIRECTION on his then and STILL famous NO feed back amps...

My brother is a retired electrician and BA for his Union.. He had the funniest look on his face when we listened a few times.. He could hear but NEVER thought about cable sounding different.. Measure all day long exactly the same. but sound different.. Go figure.. Smart guy too, he's my big brother.. simple as that...
The RAMBLE was calling a spade a spade. WE THAT WAS ME. Used and have used and understood wire direction for 35 years...

You have not... That comment is pretty simple.. Your behind times, WAY BEHIND, like suckin butt behind...

If you'd pay attention I might teach you something.. BUT I know.. you learned or was taught.. BY Smart Guys.. LOL I been fixing YOUR messes for years.. AND yes I worked Aviation also.. There are mechanics in space AND on airplanes.. Once again, I was a rear door man on a 123 provider..

KEEP talkin.. you're just about over your head now. I made a few repairs at 27,000 feet.. AND being shot at.. Thank you very much.  No mechanics WHERE.. Marine too.. YUP... There is no LESS THAN in maintenance.  It's ALL important.. Remember.. you eat because of mechanic, just like the water you drink. Not the other way around.. The world goes around because of not in spite of MECHANIC.. EVERY WAR that was ever won or lost..... You got it.. MECHANICS. Silly Shi$

BTW what do you think a Doctor is? Really that's right a DG Mechanic of people.. Arrogant at best, lack of thought BEFORE spouting off, well that is just, being a __________ fill in the blank.. BUT smart doesn't come to mind.. 

Puff Puff pass.. NO NOT YOU.. BUT YOUR Welcome in any case..
BTW it’s expensive to get into space because of the worthless people on staff.. the 20/80 rule still applies in space.

20% of the people do 80% of the work always at the expense to tax payers.. Designers butting heads instead of listening to a simple.. "That won’t work". EGGO EGO.. Just like saying cabling has no direction.. Hell it don’t. Dumber than a box or rocks... Fella.. I can see you gonna be put on the Eeyore list... Oh Well, I can’t learn from an old wore out master mechanic, I’m too smart..

You related to Audio2Design? He was pretty thick AT FIRST...

Semi-Regard.. that’s a 2 out of 10 on the regard scale.. It’s going down for sure.. Pay attention.. I’ll put you in the corner, with that silly pointed hat, you're so fond of..