Thanks for the information Al. I would also add to my list a small, local to me (Northern Va.) speaker company named Metaphor. They made speakers to compete with the likes of Thiel, but, to me, they sounded more natural than the equivalent Thiel. Unfortunately, even in my area they did not sell well because a lot of prospective buyers NEED the reassurance of positive reviews and reputation. I was at a dealership that sold both Metaphor and Thiel and watched a couple making a buying decision. They both loved the Metaphor and thought it was better than the Thiel, but, they bought the Thiel instead because they just didn't "know" about the Metaphor. I suppose this is valid for someone who is concerned with resale value, service, etc., but, I would personally go with the better sound.