@dogberry
I don't know this label. I have two copies, both on Island but both of mine are the sunray pink rim label. Not sure of the significance. Maybe our experts will let us know.
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@inna
I will check on that. I'll try most anything once. Cd's can usually be found for just a few bucks. I will not call you names. :)
I have several Von Karajan recordings. Most are on good labels. Haven't started listening to them yet but I'll get to it. Thanks for the suggestions.
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@texasblues1959
I found Pat Metheny in my Cd collection. Not really sure how it got there but I'll give it a listen. It does get mentioned here and there.
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@dogberry
Thanks to you. I'll probably pick up more.
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@dogberry
Just picked up Op 3 test records 1 and 2 on ebay. Vinyl. Looking forward to having them.
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I had a whole collection of Mannheim Steamroller Christmas LP's that I never listened to until this past holiday season. They are easily my favorites now. Not a huge Christmas music fan but some is certainly enjoyable. I always listened to TSO over the Christmas season and often just the CD's. I bought them on vinyl but it is nowhere near as engaging as the MS vinyl at least that I recall. So many system changes lately, it's hard to keep track. The 30/40 MS double album is also one of my new favorites. Had it for years and never heard it. Funny how that goes. So much vinyl, so little time.
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I don't stream anything..........yet. Never say never but I am very content listening to vinyl and cd's, mostly vinyl. For serious listening, it is vinyl 90% of the time. So...........I'm really looking for what pieces of vinyl stand out as stellar performers in your collection, such that you use them for reference. Jazz is something I never listen to so any jazz albums will mean nothing to me. No intent to offend, I just won't know it. Thanks for any input and to those who already replied.
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I used to listen to Zappa Apostrophe a lot back in the 80s' Fun album but I don't think of it as reference material. It does have some interesting sounds and songs, humor mixed with musical talent. Zappa was one of the first live concerts I ever went to back in 1970. Weird but fun show. Frank was unusual to say the least.
Dark Side of the Moon got a lot of play for me in the 70's. I have several copies of it. For real "oldies rock", I am more inclined to listen to Alan Parsons as reference material but Pink Floyd also did some good recordings, especially on Island when you can find them. Parsons is a recording engineer and it shows in his albums. Much like Chip Davis of Manheim Steamroller, nutty about getting it right. Many artists were perfectionists and many were not as well. It shows in their recordings.
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Interesting responses. I find it hard to imagine that streaming can compare to high quality vinyl but not hearing it for myself, I certainly cannot say. For me and my system, vinyl has been the preference at least 90% of the time. My system is geared to it but I've never been convinced to go another way. I do see some die hard old vinyl guys like me, switching to streaming nowadays. It is hard for me to imagine but maybe someday I'll hear it for myself and be convinced. For now, as I say, I am pleased with how I listen.
In my critical listening, I listen for certain key things, piano, violins and cellos, female voices and while I'm not a big "brass enthusiast", I do appreciate when brass sounds real on a recording. I also pay attention to drums and percussion. There is so much detail to all the percussion instruments and how they come across in recordings. See if you can pick out Ziljan cymbols on CD or streaming. If you can, I'm impressed. I've never heard cymbols sound close to real on CD. Drums OTOH, can sound quite good. Vinyl or tape has always done it the best in what I've ever heard. Pure analog even though some has been accomplished in a digital recording studio. Madonna, Ray of Light on German vinyl (Warner), is an example of this. I'm not a big Madonna fan but this is one helluva recording and she sounds as good as she ever had. I'm not so much of a fan of her voice or her songs but this double album is very good and very well done.
Other female vocalists that stand out for me are Tori Amos, Pat Benatar, Linda Ronstadt and Sarah McLachlan. All have beautiful voices and made some high quality recordings on vinyl. I remember Joni Mitchell from my youth and I was never a huge fan, found her sort of "quirky" . She gets mentioned enough that I should probably get something of hers and give it a listen. Tastes and interests do change over the years.
I also appreciate really deep bass. I grew up hearing my dad play a pipe organ. He was a church organist for 50 years. I have many pipe organ records. Nearly everything Virgil Fox ever did and all that I ever found on D2D. I have old speakers AR9's, original Teledynes, rebuilt about 20 years ago. I've never had better bass in my system as they are said to reach 18hz, probably down several Db at that point but they do reach very deep. The pipe organ sounds very real on them and the D2D's play down to 16 hz. I guess the AR9's can't quite do that but closer than most and they do so without audible distortion. Much modern music also has very deep bass and makes it kind of fun. I've gotten into Enya lately and she does a lot of very deep synthesizer tones. Cd and vinyl not much different in her recordings. Both are enjoyable. Just some of my thoughts. I enjoy hearing yours. Thanks,
Bill
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I absolutely find things on youtube and have made decisions to buy vinyl or cd's after hearing or seeing a video. Have found a lot that way and some I'm content just to leave on youtube and have a casual listen. The Spoon Lady is kind of fun. Tons more but I get a kick out of her. First found The Civil Wars there (nice vinyl recordings), The Dead South, tons of stuff.
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I have some Mahavishnu Orchestra. Will have to dig them out. Been awhile.
Was listening to Al Di Meola with a buddy of mine on CD. It's interesting, not my thing but tolerable. It is very well recorded as is a lot of jazz. I just don't listen to it very often. There was a deep synthesized note or sound that had the single strongest impact I've ever heard on a recording. We were listening quite loud and made my buddy and I both smile.
I'll have to check Oregon, much of this is unfamiliar to me but I'll try anything once. :)
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I have DSOTM on Island. Island is great and will always be better than the US copies. I also have a Japanese re-master version. The Island is still the best.
I don't mind hearing about other sources, just that streaming is not what I have. CD's have their place and some are excellent, just not what I choose for "reference", since I am so heavily geared toward vinyl. CD's provide some great bass, some great impacts, voices can sound very natural, maybe not as "airy" as we can get but tubes may be lending a hand here too? But when it comes to the nitty gritty bits, especially percussion instruments other than drums, vinyl really shines. Organ chimes, bells, all the crazy weird little sounds. Vinyl or tape, pure analog just takes them to another level. Streaming might do it, I don't know. I have no experience with it. I just know what a reasonably good system can do with a nice LOMC and the gear that can support it. Vinyl jumps to life.
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Starwarrior
Are those vinyl? Totally understand the fingers and frets. Good vinyl does that. Tori Amos, Under the Pink on pink vinyl is an excellent recording. The piano sounds very real. One song is a very beat up out of tune old piano. You can hear the pedals going up and down. Another song uses the full depth of cellos. Lots of acoustic and strings. It is really a good piece of vinyl but it took me 3 copies to find one without surface noise. Maybe the pink vinyl was too soft? Don't know. Usually colored vinyl is good as it is usually virgin vinyl. I have a black copy of under the pink and the pressing is not nearly as well done as the pink versions.
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Inna
I'll have to check Oregon out. Not familiar to me.
Wondering why you choose some that you say were not good recordings but use them as references. Seems an odd choice.
As to brass, I have no jazz music in my collection. I have a lot of orchestra, a couple Canadian brass D2D that are really good and Fresh Aire uses a fair amount of brass as well.
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dmuso
I have many of what you list. I also have some very old RCA recordings that are pretty good. Van Cliburn and V Horowitz piano stuff. They can be surprisingly good right back into the 50's. I have a couple that are still sealed too. Kind of fun, don't know whether to break them out or not.
As to DSOTM, I don't care for it as much as Meddle or Wish You Were Here, which I have both on Island. I think I have at least 4 or 5 copies of DSOTM but I kind of burned out on it back in the old days.
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bdgregory
Supertramp recordings are very good. I have several of them.
Last night, I rolled in some old tubes that I'd never tried before, some Webcor 12AU7A's. They were OK, not great. I listened to Pat Benatar Tropico on Chrysalis. It is a damn fine recording with some really great dynamics. It's quite a demonstration of a beautiful voice, some very deep bass and some of the most dynamic drumming and percussion that you will hear on a pop album.
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inna
Interesting perspective.
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vetsc5
I'm pretty sure I have the Saint Saens in my organ collection. I probably have 100 or so pipe organ LP's. The Crystal Clear Virgil Fox recordings also reach 16hz. My speakers do 18 but I'm good with that. Pipe organ sounds pretty dang real to me. I'll have to hunt for the one you mention. I am fairly certain that I have it.
I also have a group of Zubin Mehta but not sure if I have the one you spoke of. I always watched for him on LP's when I'd be hunting the bins at thrift shops. I used to find sealed 30 and 40 year old records for $2. I always checked the open ones and if they looked like they had been played or abused, put em back. It would take me awhile but was usually worth the effort.
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dogberry
I'll have to watch for Opus 3's. I'm not sure I have any but I might. I have a fairly extensive collection and I often find things that I don't recall even buying. Getting old has it's advantages as well as disadvantages. :)
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rauliruegas
I'm quite sure I have that recording. I have several Sheffields. It would be a good one to check certain things. Thanks for reminding me of it.
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inna
I still find it interesting that you evaluate new gear using what you consider to be poor recordings. In some ways, I think a nice system reveals even more of it's flaws but maybe we just have different ways of looking at it. I know that you use good recordings as well, just find it "unusual" that you also evaluate with poor ones.
I have no idea what DiMeola albums we listened to. It was a long time ago. One was vinyl, one was Cd. I just found it somewhat interesting, not so much that I went out and bought it. My best buddy and main listening partner (other than my wife), was a jazz enthusiast. He passed away a couple years ago. He was kind of a Dahlquist nut, had several pair, used a CJ preamp and main cartridge was Grace F9E Ruby. He never did get into MC's but the F9E Ruby was no slouch. Anyway, off topic. Sorry.
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Lots of great comments. Thanks to all. I have some things to look for, in my collection and beyond and then the whole topic of streaming keeps coming up. I'll get to it someday.........if I live long enough. For now, I'm just admiring a "new to me" turntable. I finally picked up a Linn LP12 after 50 years of wishing I had one. I was not disappointed. Sounded really nice and still making other improvements in my system can only make it better. I went to a VPI 20 plus years ago and kind of forgot about Linns for awhile. I'm glad I never completely gave up on the idea. Anyway, this is supposed to be about vinyl so I'll leave it with what I tested the new toy with. Fresh Aire I, Fresh Aire III and Alan Parsons I Robot. Some happy listening. Most enjoyable.
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buellrider97
Yes, I believe Webcors are Mullard variants. I've not been a big Mullard fan either.
As to DiMeola, his talent is easily recognized and I appreciate it, just not my style of music for the most part. His recordings seem to be very well done. Fun story too.
Thanks
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rauliruegas
I use lots of different recordings to evaluate things. Never just one.
Not sure what you mean about the tubes. Are you saying that they have no bass?
My AR9's were restored back to original. They are old school. Not for everyone, not even my favorites for some loud rock tunes but I use them for everything for now. I have others, just not set up to enjoy all. Maybe someday. :)
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I have read that article. Always makes me smile. They were a reference of their day. They are still pretty damn good in my book. They don't do everything perfectly but they were designed around classical music and they do a wonderful job with classical music, orchestra, organ, piano, any acoustic strings, horns and percussion. They were very well thought out for the purpose of listening to classical music. Any acoustic stuff is really good. Not as great for loud rock concert listening but I'm OK with that too. Not terrible at rock, just not what they were made for.
Lots more AR3's out there than 9's but there is a fair following for the 9's with many still in use today. The 9's like power and I biamp with two 250 X 2 @8ohm SS A/B amps. The difference between single amp to biamp is night and day. I've been listening to them for over 20 years and I do not get tired of them. Getting the Linn and a different cartridge into the system yesterday brought some new life back to the old classics. Most enjoyable. More improvements to make but having fun for now. Next up will be the SLP98, another classic to add to my system. Looking forward to it.
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dogberry
I can completely identify with that. I certainly have Quadrophenia, have not heard it in a long time but that doesn't mean I won't ever hear it again. I also have some Amy Grant somewhere, another beautiful voice. Last night I was going through some of my collection that I don't normally look through and found 3 albums by Joni Mitchell that I didn't remember having. Court and Spark was one that someone had mentioned so I put it on and was very pleasantly surprised. Very well recorded and her voice was better than I remembered. My son had never heard it before and he enjoyed it. I probably hadn't heard it in close to 50 years and it was far better than I remembered. Even my wife commented on how good her voice was. Joni did the cover art herself. I believe that Cat Stevens used to do some of his as well. Art work was a good part of having albums and I collect some for the art as much as the music. Fun stuff.
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@flash56
Just heard Court and Spark, very good. Mine is on Asylum Records and is very well done and nice clean vinyl.
Don't think I have any Japanese pressings of the Who but have the albums. Been awhile for me on those.
Have nothing on Armstrong or Ellington, just not part of my collection.
Also came across several Pretenders LP's.
Have a good amount of cello music. Good test music.
Have several Karajan, just came across some last night as I went through part of my collection.
Cat Stevens, I have most records that he ever made. I have about 6 copies of Tea For The Tillerman, including a 200G remaster, which sucks. Best one I have is on Island. The American versions (/Atlantic, I think?) aren't bad but Island is better. Most of Cat Stevens albums are very dynamic, acoustic guitar, drums and that wonderful voice. All that I have were well done except for the remaster.
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@rauliruegas
Not sure what you mean about why the Linn, if that is a question or not. Just something I always kind of wanted. Been having issues with various old turntables, VPI needing bearing (off to VAS for repair), most recently was using my old AR (OK not great). Found the Linn at a reasonable price with Ekos arm, Lingo PS, Cirkus bearing. Not sure about any other upgrades. The cartridge sent with it is an old Linn Karma but has been very pleasant listening so far.
Taking notes on all suggestions. Thanks.
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@flash56
I just checked and my digital remaster is 180G, not 200 and on the Universal label. I bought it a long time ago from Music Direct, $30 or $40 even then. I didn't bother to open it for a couple of years, just put it in the collection. When I finally did and tried to play it, I discovered that the hole is drilled off-center, rendering it unplayable unless you're into really odd sounding music. :) What I was able to discern was that it didn't particularly seem to capture the essence of the original anyway. It just sits in the collection. I have plenty that don't get played for various reasons.
Most of my copies of Tea For The Tillerman are A&M, not Atlantic. I just mixed that up and thought after I said it that I was probably wrong. I bought my Island copy as used but excellent. It does have a touch of surface noise but still better than the A&M's without noise. The differences aren't huge but they are there. I just wish I'd have had the instincts to buy the "import copies" back in the day. They could all be had for $1 to $2 more but back in those days, it was a quarter tank of gas or whatever. Had I known they were indeed far better, I'd have bought them every time. I used to buy most of my records at head shops. Most of the employees were not usually audiophiles, they were mostly young hippie stoner kids who worked in a cool shop. My main record rack (for storage) came from one of those old head shops. It was the record rack for a store called The Grass Menagerie. A piece of history. :) We didn't really have record stores until years later.
Cat Stevens was a pretty fair artist himself. He even did an animated film around 1969 or 1970. I remember watching it at a buddy's house. Interesting film and showed the introspective nature of Mr Stevens, obviously a very kind and gentle soul. I can't think of the name of the film but it has something to do with points. Either you have a point or you don't. Try to find the film and you will understand.
I just recently watched an interview with Joni Mitchell and she did speak of her art. Joni is/was "The Classic Hippie Chick". She epitomizes it. She is like the girls I used to date and eventually chose to marry. Growing up in the 60's and 70's is something that cannot be replicated and it never will be. OK, enough of my nonsense. I listened to another Joni Mitchell named Blue on Warner label. In some ways even better than my copy of Court and Spark. Both are certainly very enjoyable and well worth a listen. Great acoustics and a lovely voice.
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@mahler123
Still rounding up my Karajan recordings. So far, Showpieces For Orchestra Album 2 on Angel label. I have found some Angel and EMI/Angel recordings to be very good. Another is Liszt/Karajan Mezeppa Les Preludes, Hungarian Rhapsodies/Berlin Philharmonic on Deutsche Gramaphon and Swan Lake & Sleeping Beauty with Vienna Philharmonic on London ffrr. All good labels.
I know that I have quite a few E Power Biggs organ LP's. Still going through to see which ones. He was very good. My favorite organist is Virgil Fox but I have many recordings of other organists that are very good.
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@bdp24
I'll have to check that out. I don't stream as yet so I tend to buy cheap CD's, see if I like it and then look for a vinyl copy. I keep hearing of all these "converts" to streaming. I'm shocked in some ways but I suppose at some point, it will find it's way into my system. I have never gotten rid of a vinyl record and still have no plans of doing so. I am actually very happy that I kept all of my LP's. To me, they are invaluable.
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@unreceivedogma
Thanks for the suggestion. I don't think I have this one but loved his voice. CSN&Y still high on all time favorites........even though not mentioned. Some of the best harmonizing in pop/rock music. I don't think I have any of his solo work but will look for it.
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@flash56
No apologies necessary whatsoever. You are preaching to the choir.
I am another like you, who finds that most re-masters are not as well done as the originals. I find even US 2nd gen. recordings to be better than many or most re-masters. I started avoiding them if they used the word "digital". Madonna, Ray of Light, was done in a digital recording studio and it is actually very well done on the Warner label, German pressing. I'm not a big Madonna fan but to me, this is her best work. I know she took lessons for her voice and the music is very dynamic and very good. This tells me that digital is on the right track at least. It has no digital signal or sign that I can discern but it is on vinyl. I used to have the same CD and was not impressed enough to play it at all. Same music, different format. I have always said that the CD was a flawed media. While I do enjoy some of them, I still hold to that belief.
I wasn't one to loan records out by the mid 70's. My experiences before that were the same as yours. I have had similar results with books not coming back or getting trashed. Inexcusable.
Hearing what you say with the numbers to back you up, I do understand that digital has come a long way. Perhaps at some point, it will at least equal analog. I don't see how surpassing it is possible. I remember talking to a guy in a camera store about digital cameras as I had just bought a Nikon digital camera. I asked him at what point did digital surpass 35mm photography and he said when it reached about 7 megapixels. Now, you can get a cell phone that is considerably higher than that. Kind of crazy. So..........it stands to reason that the technology will come along to at least equal analog. I've just never heard it yet. I remember hearing Neal Young talk about it once and he was supposedly working on a technology that was to vastly improve digital music. I have no idea if he accomplished it or not or what it may have become.
I for one, completely enjoyed your tutorial. I believe that you know of what you speak. It is evident in what you say and by what you can hear. I'm with you, certified vinyl junkie.
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@bdp24
Well, you certainly got my curiosity up so I had to check. I only find 5 copies of TFTT, not 6. My Island copy is the pink label and is gatefold. None of the A&M'a are gatefold but the 180G on Universal is. I've never opened it past the cello wrap, just the end to pull the album out to test initially. The 3 copies on A&M all bear the same number, likely all are the same. One is still in cello and has a dbx "Full dynamic range recording" label.
I've always wondered why people don't talk about the dynamics of Cat Stevens recordings. I've always found them to be so, even the A&M's. It is no wonder though that I am so fond of the Island copy. Thanks for the great info. You guys never cease to amaze.
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@dogberry
I didn't know there was a Steve Hoffman version. I'll have to look for that. I guess this is why people stream. I have to buy it all to find out. Takes time.
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@bdp24
I had to recheck my Island copy of TFTT. I was not aware of a solid pink label but mine is surrounded in pink and thought perhaps that was the reference. I decided I needed to see for myself if I was thinking wrong and I was, not knowing there was a solid pink label out there. I do have the sunray in pink outline but if you read on Steve Hoffman reviews of this, the early ones like I have are supposed to be the same as the solid pink copy. There was reference to the code in the wax, U2, I think which matched what I have. I just can't remember from one minute to the next so I may have that wrong. You can check Hoffman for yourself or maybe you have. I certainly believe you as your description has a rather amazing amount of details that I would think is known by a very small group. Interesting for sure.
I never had a problem with the A&M's as they were all that I had. If you have no better reference, they become the reference. There are differences even among them as one says dbx and that one got high praise at least from someone. I'll have to check and see what I can hear as differences among my own. I just always found the Island copy to be somewhat better than the A&M'a that I had for so many years before. If I have the wrong one, I can only imagine how good the solid pink one must be and I guess I have to throw my system out the window. :) Thanks for the info and no, I am not following it 100%. It would take me awhile to absorb it all.
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@unreceivedogma
Funny, that is the same gang that I was just listening to on Joni Mitchell's own recording. Very good stuff and well done.
Remasters have almost always been a disappointment to me, especially for the price. Originals have been better virtually every time. Rino rings a bell, might have something on that label somewhere. I think I remember reading that you have 6k LP's and know them all. I have somewhere between 2 and 3k and keep finding ones that I don't remember. Kind of fun and kind of sobering at the same time.
Someone said that analog remasters are fine and that stands to reason, especially if they go back to the original master tapes. D2D eliminates all of that and it's not hard to understand how it can be so good. Recorded direct to cutting lathe, no tape involved. I've never had the pleasure of hearing a master tape first hand but have spoken to some old internet buddies who had that luxury. I guess nothing quite compares but D2D is probably as close as it would get. Anyway, all good stuff. Thanks.
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@unreceivedogma
Yup. It is also my understanding that master tapes are so fragile (and valuable) that the owners do not want to let them out for any reason. They will be archived somewhere in a controlled environment, as are films etc.
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@flash56
I don't mind this at all. I'm enjoying it since I've been an avid listener of Cat Stevens for at least 55 years. My wife is also a big fan. He is/was a truly unique talent, being gifted a fantastic voice and multiple musical and artistic talents.
My 180G has the barcode 42284 23521. Below that is the number 842 352-1 and beside that is LC00407 and the Island insignia. To the left it states P 1970 Universal Island Records Ltd. C 1970 Universal Island Records Ltd.
If there may be more info inside the gatefold, I can take the cello off. I've just left it on to preserve it. The label on the record is another sunray pink rim Island label that says made in the EU. In the wax, appears to be A33 842 352-1 S1 320
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@flash56
I just checked my re-master copy of TFTT. It is 180G, vinyl re-release, and says mastered from original tapes so not the typical digital remaster. For some reason, I thought it was a digital remaster, probably just because I'm so used to the term. The label reads UNIVERSAL MUSIC FOR THE WORLD, on a gray label with black circle. On the back, it says Universal and Island. Maybe it had a shot at being a good one. Maybe there is a way to re-drill the center hole? Will have to look into that.
My Island copy is the sunray version but according to what I read on Hoffman's site, it should be the same as the pink label. Is BDP24 saying that none of them are right? There is so much info, I have trouble following. Is there a difference in the dbx version on A&M as I have that one too.
I find nearly all Cat Stevens albums to have great dynamics, when compared to other records of the same time period. It always seemed to me that he must have been very particular about these things. It is really surprising to find that so many mistakes were made. My other favorites are Buddha and The Chocolate Box and Catch Bull at Four. I haver several others as well but the three named are more of my favorites and get more play time. There are good songs on all of his records and I am now inspired to listen to all of them, including each copy to see what I can pick up.
This has been extremely interesting.
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oops, repeating myself :)
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@bdp24
Trying to make sure I am understanding what you say. I think you said that the very first Island (pink label) copies of TFTT got it right? Is that correct? My sunray may also be that same recording, according to the Hoffman site. Then Analog Productions did it right again? Or did they change it somehow? I don't mean to drag this on forever, just trying to be clear on what is being said.
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Your explanation makes a lot of sense for the recording process, which I now know at least something about, thanks to you and others here.
Still wondering about the TFTT recordings. I thought you said that the earliest Island recordings got it right. Yes?
Then again, corrections were made by Analog Productions. Is that also correct? Is one more correct than the other? Just curious. Thanks for taking the time to go through this extremely informative explanation. Good stuff.
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@dogberry
You are a lucky dog...........berry. :) Hoping mine is the same just different label. Verdict not quite in yet.
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@flash56
I don't mind this at all. I'm enjoying it since I've been an avid listener of Cat Stevens for at least 55 years. My wife is also a big fan. He is/was a truly unique talent, being gifted a fantastic voice and multiple musical and artistic talents.
My 180G has the barcode 42284 23521. Below that is the number 842 352-1 and beside that is LC00407 and the Island insignia. To the left it states P 1970 Universal Island Records Ltd. C 1970 Universal Island Records Ltd.
If there may be more info inside the gatefold, I can take the cello off. I've just left it on to preserve it. The label on the record is another sunray pink rim Island label that says made in the EU. In the wax, appears to be A33 842 352-1 S1 320
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Yes, my 180G says EU and 04 sounds about right. I know that I bought it a long time ago. One of the first things I ever bought from Music Direct. When I lived in IL, I could order one day and get it the next.
Yes, my regular Island copy is from the UK. It is a gatefold very glossy outer cover, very dull and rough inner paper. The record sleeve is blue paper with pink writing. Says island records ltd. basing street london w11. Has a patent number and says MADE IN GREAT BRITAIN. I don't find any dates other than the original date of 1970. It does say Freshwater in blue writing on the back cover. Also has the number ILPS9135. The record label is palm tree, Island, sunray and pink rim.
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@bassbuyer
Steely Dan recordings always seemed to be top notch. I have read that they did not like to tour or perform live as they were not able to replicate what they did in the studio. I never saw them live either so can't say for myself how good they were or were not.
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@flash56
Inside the gatefold, at the bottom, says Printed and made by the E I (I think) Day Group, London and Bedford.
The ILPS-9135 in hyphenated on the label.
In the wax, I can read the same ILPS space 9135 A-3 u. It also says Sterling in very small print as well as RD
Sounds like a re-issue? All I can say is, it sounds better than the A&M's. Too bad my 180G has the off-center hole.
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@flash56
Yes, LH is right by Sterling. I thought I included that before but I guess I forgot. LH and RD look to be stamps. The RD is written sideways and is very faint, halfway out from the label edge. Everything else is written in the same direction as the grooves. Even the stuff that is sometimes hand etched, looks to be stamped as it is so perfect. It is much larger than all the rest and is the same number as the jacket and label with A-3u added. Hope this helps. And yes, the inner sleeve is blue paper with pink lettering.
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