What are we objectivists missing?


I have been following (with much amusement) various threads about cables and tweaks where some claim "game changing improvements" and other claim "no difference".  My take is that if you can hear a difference, there must be some difference.  If a device or cable or whatever measures exactly the same it should sound exactly the same.  So what are your opinions on what those differences might be and what are we NOT measuring that would define those differences?

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A little silly question. We do whatever we like, the way we like. You do you, I do me. Simple. What’s the fuss.

One thing that objectivists are NOT missing is protesting. Too much protestations in the cyber space for some unexplainable reason. I always wondered why.

Obviously. Unless you can “prove” it what you hear by either 1) measurements, or 2) third party independent panel certified blind test. Preferably both! Otherwise what you “claim” is null and avoid. You should not post such thing in the internet 😉

+2 @artemus_5 !!

 

These folks keep talking about "making claims" for some reason. Whereas people are simply sharing what they experience. Nobody is here to claim anything, or impose something on others, especially to THOSE others. If they like to "expose themselves to a good blind testing regimen", have at it! If that's what you want to do, do it. 

🙄🙄🙄. The usual rhetoric. This one is even funnier, as usual on his posts. He quantifies the number of deluded audiophiles at 99%. 🙄🙄🤦‍♂️. Yeah, we are all hallucinating 

All humans have biases

100% true. But, this works both ways. For the "objectivists" too

Subjective claims are null and void for everyone but the one making them

The emphasis is mine on the quoted phrase. Again, I don’t think people are making claims. Instead, they are sharing their impressions. It’s a public forum. Meaning people gather, talk to each other, share what they like and don’t like, sharing their experiences. If you don’t like what people share, ignore them. Let the people who enjoy the discussion with each other be. As easy as that. Go by whatever fits your bill, including the measurements you take yourself or read on the internet from a measurement guru of your preference.

 

Share whatever impressions you want but if someone is asking for RELEVANT feedback on a component my or anyones subjective opinion isn't really worth squat.

You seem to completely go past what I wrote. Let me repeat:

Again, I don’t think people are making claims. Instead, they are sharing their impressions. It’s a public forum. Meaning people gather, talk to each other, share what they like and don’t like, sharing their experiences. If you don’t like what people share, ignore them. Let the people who enjoy the discussion with each other be. As easy as that.

You keep focusing on "claims" over and over again. 

Let me break it down for you:

1 - People are free to share their impressions on anything audio in an audio forum

2 - You pick what is relevant to you. Ignore the rest

3 - Something that may not be relevant to you may be relevant to others

 

I don’t care what you and John Doe discuss about subjective impressions. I do ignore it

That’s clear 100% for the "care" part. But, not so sure about the "ignore" part. You seem to reply to all threads on these very "subjective impressions" topics, cables, DACs, you name it. Majority of your 5,000 posts are replies to these threads. Not really ignoring them for some reason, they seem to bother you.

 

Some other people may, just may, however, be interested on John Doe’s subjective impressions.

 

Oh... and keep using "claims"

We can measure the audible spectrum for humans. We can even measure the spectrum for dogs and dolphins so I have no idea what your asking for.

You are confusing "listening" skills with "hearing" abilities. Not sure if on purpose or by mistake

 

They cannot - just as measuring a heart beat and bicep circumference will not indicate what a gymnast is capable on the floor!! They will not even indicate whether the subject is a gymnast or just a non-gymnast in good shape who can;t even do a flip....

Perfect analogy, and spot on! It "reminds" of the "doctor" who was diagnosing a patient with heart disease by measuring his sperm count.

 

By that logic, babies are the group of population most able to discern good music and good sound 😂🙄

Those are subjective preferences, hearing ability isn't. Young females between the ages of 10 and 14 have the most acute hearing ability. 

Let us try again:

You are confusing "listening" skills with "hearing" abilities. Not sure if on purpose or by mistake