@ Chris10an, Hi, Do you believe Wadia will be coming back into business? cheers! |
Hi everyone, I Thank everybody here, I am still looking for more answers, look forward to your post, Happy listening. |
Is there eany tube players with its on volume built into the player? |
Hi, Good answers here so far, I read on a thread that wadia does not make digital players no longer?, just media players now?, Thankyou Gentleman! |
I always been a wadia fan my self!, never owned one, listen to many, always liked the sound!, How about the esoteric K-01?, The burr-brown 1792 dacs that are in that unit, I had in a cary cd-500, I cannot say if it was the dacs, but I quikly sold the unit!, that should say it all on the 1792 dacs or cary digital!, cheers! |
What are the used market value for the wadia players?, how much do they sell for if I would like to buy one?, thankyou Gentleman! |
Hi, Did Wadia go completly out of business?, Their site has been taken down!,, where would someone get a player fixed if a issue happened?, cheers! |
@ Richlane, Thankyou, I was hoping there would be more choices out there!, It would be nice to have a flood of choices with what i am asking, that way, I can spend weeks auditioning them all, and have a good choice instead of a choice between a coople of players and regret it later!, thankyou! |
@ Edorr, Hi, I cannot seem to find this on the net, Is it possible you can post a link here to their site so I may look over the Romulus?, thankyou. |
I welcome more answers here!, Thankyou! |
Experiences with Esoteric Digital?,more players for direct to amps? |
Where would eanyone service a wadia product?, and obtain parts? |
@ Zd542, Hi, I feel the same as you do, and I agree with all that you said in your last post!, I like Wadias sound, I do not want to be stuck with a product that can no longer be serviced!, thats a bummer!, thankyou Zd542. |
@ Krell_man, thankyou for your post. |
@ Denon1, Hi, I have a krell 700cx that is at Krell right now being totally renewed, inside and out!, its only 8 years old!, Ray Mulchler, the service manager there said that my amp will perform better than before!, they are putting better than the original caps in side of it, and be prepaired to do 500 hours of break-in or a little more!, Its costing me $3,157.38 to do all this!, I have an Ayon 2s now that runs direct to amp that I am not very fond of!, The entire sound of that player sounds good, as far as treble, and resolution!, I do not like the little forward sound that it does at all!, thats part of the reason of this thread!, this is my 3rd player since april 2012!, my Krell 700cx has 100kohm!, likly the same as your Krell!, I just bought a Taralabs cobalt power cord with the up-graded oyaide plugs to use on the ayon or whatever else, I will not be up and running till my amp comes back from Krell, so what do you think here?,, cheers! |
@ Denon1, Didn't you own a Ayon player before?,, can you describe the sound of thr K-01?, does the k-03 have volume control?, cheers! |
@ Edorr, Hi, I hope I am not a burden, I would like to ask, Have you listened to this player, can you describe some of the sound attributes that are good and bad?, thankyou. |
@ Denon1, Hi, Did the Ayon 5s have a bigger, better sound stage than the k-01?, Have you listened to the k-03?, I believe you have burr-brown 1792 dacs in the esoteric players, I owned the 1792 dacs in a cary player and thought they were analitical on the player, they did not sound natural, very lean in the bass,They had resolution,and refinement, unless esoteric found a way to use these 1792 dacs, they did not sound musical at all to me, alot of hi-fi fire works, but not realistic sounding compaired to live music!,, You are right about the Ayon 2s player, I had mine less than 90 days and it blew some tubes, infant tube failure, or something else all together!, It arrives at usa tubes today for repair!, I do not like usa tubes, poor service communications after the sale!, we basically cussed each other out!, I will never buy nothing from them again!,,The ayon 2s soundstage is small, and is not deep enough for me, and forward sounding without the tubes in the power supply to color the sound to have a bigger sound stage like the Ayon 5s player, I do like the treble of Ayon and the 1704 dacs, the best I have heard, extreamly detailed and smooth and refined, the mid range I hate, and the player sounds lean compaired to other players I have owned, Alot of money for the Ayon 2s to sound like this!, In the old days you got alot better sound for a whole lot less money!, The Ayon players are beutiful units, some of the best chasiss I have seen with Digital!, LOL!, I do not want a looker in my room, its all about the sound for me!, How would you copaire the 5s to the k-01?, I know its more refined and more resolving,How would you compaire the sound stages?,, Denon1, I allready have extreme resolving power and focus on my system,My cables do miracles!, I own the Taralabs The Zero Gold I/Cs and Taralabs cobalt power cord, Taralabs omega gold speaker cables!, the cables cost so much, I do not want to buy more I/Cs!, LOL!, Thats one of the reasons I run direct to amps!, I agree with you whole heartly!, I do need alot better digital player for my cables and my amp!, Denon1,, I have only been tring to build this system since april 2012!, the Ayon 2s that I still own is my 3rd player!, I will sell my ayon and try to get into a musical top notch digital direct to amp player, thus this thread,I love the sound of some tubes, they just seem like they have way to many problems!, I have listened to years ago solid state digital players that put tube players to shame in every aspect of the sound comeing out of speakers!,The sad thing here is I have to make long road trips to audition players, BTW, I have not done!, after going thru this many players, LOL!, Its high time I audition before I buy!,, your Krell is 100kohms?,, I enjoy talking to you, by having or had similar equipment this helps!,, cheers! |
Thankyou gentleman, I have read these post, they are alot of help, thankyou so much.look forward to more post, cheers. |
@ Denon1, This is why I started this thread!, To get a better source!, I apoligize for the dac mistake I thought was in the k-01,k-03,,, Your description of the sound stage has my attention!, One thing I can disagree with you on is the cables, years ago I took a $300.00 yamaha cd-player with tara the one model cables and extreamly imbarresed a spectral digital unit that was thousands of dollars, I am sorry, I agree that the source is very, very important, no where near as important as cables by a long shot!, The spectral digital had mit top tier cables on it to boot, thousands of dollars more!, I have done these test many times to bewilder people for kicks and grins!,, eany way, lets get to source talking, First, I was hopeing you could answer all my questions I had in my last post?,, I appreciate your help, I want to go and audition a k-03 now!,, Have you listened to a k-03?,,this is important!,thankyou Denon1. |
@ denon1, Thankyou for the info, I have to admit thou, your k-01 is very appealing to me!, $20,000 is alot of money!, Denon1, In your opinion, do you feel the k-03 is better than the Ayon 5s?, they both are in the same ball park at the price point,That is suppriseing that you said the k-03 is 80-90% of the k-01!, Alot of people have said to me that the k-03 is not in the same league as the k-01!, I trust your opinion on the 80 -90% LOL!, because you have good tast in amplification, Krell!,, How long have you had your k-01 to get the 700 to 750 hours you have?,, BTW, who makes the dacs for esoteric k-01, k-03?,, Thankyou Denon1, I am happy to learn all this from you!, cheers to you! |
@ Denon1, I just read a old forum where you owned the k-03!, now you have the k-01, If eanybody would know the % difference in sound, that would be you!, LOL!, you lived with both players, to me, thats way better than just mere listening to the players!,Congrats on your k-01!, Man, you got me really interested in the K-03 player, I have seen some here on the used market, with-in my range to get sooner than later versus a new player!, cheers! |
@ Gocubs999, Hi, That was information I will defiantly use!, Thats real good to know, Thankyou. |
@ Edorr, thankyou, That will not be necessary, I am taking all this in, and then go and audition the players at a store where ever they are sold at, there is no dealers for top high-end here where I live, cheers. |
@ sounds real audio, Wow!, I am telling the wife of this post, we argue at times that when I am hearing huge very low bass, she says I am crazy, she does not hear it!, and then at the same time, the woman, the wife can hear higher notes!, explain that one?, Is it because they have smaller ear drums?, sounds like cables, LOL!, the bigger gauge has deeper better bass, the smaller wires in a cable are better with finese and higher notes!mmmm, they are on to something here,LOL! |
Gentleman,, I need an all in one player, transport and dac, not a dac, then a transport, cheers. |
@ Ddd1, Hi, Thats hilarious!, for some reason I believe your post,It has real world scenarios. cheers. |
@ Audioengr,, Hi, No offense to you, I believe you would absolutly be wrong in this case, I own Taralabs zero gold interconnect, can you imagine buying more cables at the cost of these cables?, even the digital zero gold is exspensive, and after hearing what this interconnect does, there is no way I would use an inferrior cable to degrade my sound!, cheers. |
Hi Edorr, I am all ears here, I no nothing of this brand, If you do not mind, and I hope I am not asking to much?, can you tell me all there is to know of this unit?, thankyou. |
@ Edorr, Have you listened to a romulus player?, I finally got to research for hours this player from your info, I must of misspelled something before when I tried to look into this player, A brand alot of audiophiles look over is vincent!, I had one with the same 12ax7 or and the 12au7 tubes in the player, and yes it was a true balanced player like the aesthetix Romulus player, no 6922 tubes in the vincent, the sound description of the Romulus is exactly what i owned before, except one major difference!, the vincent had the most deep articulate bass then eany player I have experienced in my life, so imagine a full rich sound and all the rest of the attributes of the romulus with bass to die for!, get this, the vincent had volume control, 4 channel balanced with burr-brown 1796 dacs, all this for $2,800.00 !!, it was the most musical player I have ever owned!, I had to get my money back because we thought the player was bleeding d/c back into my krell amp, come to find out the Krell had issues that is now being taken care of at krell!, and the vincent is gone!, the vincent threw a huge soundstage to boot!, alot of audiophiles know nothing of vincent, the say, oh, its made in china and engineered in germany, a entry level product, wrong!, the vincent sounds a hell of alot better than my $6,350.00 Ayon 2s !!!, more musical eanyway!, I will go and hear a romulus player, if it does not beet the vincent, I do not need it, I would say that is a tall order to fill!,, I do know the romulus is closer to the sound I prefer, I thankyou Edorr for this info, we will see how this stacks up against the Esoteric K-03 and vincent player, and what ever else someone can recommend, Edorr, you are on the right track in helping me here, I really do not believe I will like the esoteric sound!, who knows, I may get another vincent player like I had!, The Romulus sound that I research is what I want, with the exception of not having the bass I love!, I hate lean sound!, I would also like to know if the Romulus sounds forward sounding at all? the vincent did not, the soundstage was spot on!, very huge, and came to the middle of the listening room like music is suppose to do!, Edorr, I hope you can answer some of these questions I have here, thankyou so much for your help, cheers. |
@ Eddor, man, you are absolutly right, it is on the top of the list to listen to, thanks to you!, I never heard of this brand or there digital players!, One thing i do not like about it is the transport, it plays red book only cds, thats kind of crazy in todays world to do that, My ayon 2s has a phillips pro 2 transport that plays everything but sacd!do you know a player cost no object that is an intergrated disc spinner with the volume control, etc..?, cheers. |
@ Edorr, Hi, Sorry about the confusion,$20,000 to $50,000 is out of my price reach for digital!,the Boulder 1021 has been out for a long time, I did not know it had volume control?, Thankyou for patiently putting up with me, you are a gentleman indeed,The Ayon 2s is a cd player, it is not red book only player, it plays CDRs but not sacd, I am confused about the Romulus, Do you beleieve it plays more than red book only?, the specs say it plays red book only on the transport, I really do not know what their version of red book is, to me, thats standard cds, nothing else, I would like a player that plays most of todays modern medias, A cd player or a cd/sacd player, this Romulus is a great recommendation!, maybe I should give them a call next week to see if their player can play my cds, CDRs that are recorded really good!, and, of course I have standard cds, The CDrs are dvd a audio and 24/192 cdrs,, My price range can go up to retail 13,000.00, ,like most audiophiles, used is good to, try to save money is always nice, Edorr, My member friends believe your recommendation of the Romulus is more my tast the the Esoteric K-03 in sound, these are the two so far on top of my list amongst others, what do you think of this new esoteric K series sound?,, cheers. |
@ Edorr, You are absolutly correct, I did pay alot less for my I/c and power cable than retail, I bought them here on the gon for a savings nobody has EVER heard of, atleast not me!, ,now I do have more money tied up with the rest of the cables, I also own the Taralabs the one i/c and speaker cables to be used on a second system when we rebuild that system, we sold that system to help buy the Taralabs zero gold i/c 1-meter, nothing wrong with buying used if you get the cable in question authenticated as I did,, It appears we have buying used in common, If I did go the approach you have mentioned I would settle for nothing less than the Tara zero gold digital cable, I would be un-happy if I down graded my sound to use a two box digital system, the field is wide open, I just need a volume control intergrated digital player, It can be cd/sacd, etc.. analog volume preferably, or high quality well made digital volume control, you know like transformer based volume control like the Ayon has got,, this may be temporary a couple of years untill I can get a $10,000.00 and higher cost point pre-amp, thats what it will take to out perform what I am doing here, I believe I love analog turn table sound, thats exspensive for what I would build one like,,Edorr, you are a very well seasoned audiophile, that makes it easy for me to talk to you, the reason I have such cables is to me they are an important componet in the system, your last post was spot on with me, funny, it was like you were psychic or something,LOL!, You are the best!, you have really helped me, thankyou, you are a gentleman!, I trust your recommendations as well, they are very sound!, keep the ideas rolling, I will look into what you said above, nothing is not under my micro-scope period that every one has said on this thread concerning digital, you have not gotten to my questions concerning the Esoteric k-03 and the Aestetix Romulus, Have you heard these units before?,, Happy listening. |
@ Zd542, wow!, That was really cool of you to do all this that you just did!, I will make the trip to Liburn, Ga,,, you done some grat research fot me, thankyou so much, I even have a choice on pricing with a list of dealers that you provided, you know its like buying a car, one dealer can beat the next with pricing,, cheers. |
@ Edorr, I have balanced running direct to amp, The Krell 700cx has no single ended connections, it has krell cast and Balanced, I thought that was weird my self, all my previous Krells had RCA etc...,, One one-meter balanced Zero gold from source to amp, another option I thought of is a Ayon 5s player, it is on my list too., I will try to call Aesthetixs today and ask them about their Romulus player, It is balanced circuitry witch is a bonus with a true balanced amp I have,, I bought this Taralabs cobalt power cord with oyaide plugs to go on source, 6-28-13, this will help any source sound better, I hope!, cheers. |
@ Edorr, I talked to Aesthetix yesterday by phone,turns out that I do not believe the Romulus is as good as The Ayon 2s that I own, The Romulus strictly plays red book only, versus the ayon 2s plays cdrs and up samples red book to 24/192, there is a huge difference in sound in every way 24/192 compaired to red book sound, the Ayon 2s is switchable by remote between the two formats, the difference is not subtle at all!, thou the Romulus likly sounds good, I cannot use it, there is no way it could match the resolving power of the Ayon 2s.,,BTW, The Ayon 2s has connections so you can use it as a transport only, as a matter of fact, I do not know if you are aware the the phillips pro transports are well known to be one of the best, A couple of the engineers parted ways to form their own company called stream unlimited, thus the conception of the pro 2 transport, It plays bad cds with flawless ease to my supprise, we have used other digital players that did not play the same cds!this is the very same transport that is in the Ayon 5s player at retail $12,500.00,, The thing is Edorr, I am tring to not buy more cables for connections right now,We bought the tara zero gold this year, the cobalt power cord this year, the ayon 2s this year, the krell amp is at Krell right now getting totally renewed inside and out, guranteed in writting to be an absolute new amp that will take 600 hours to break-in, that is costing $3,157.00, not bad!,,If we wanted to go the route of a two box system, we already have a good transport, there is outstanding one box intergrated players out there, we just have to find all the options that are available, The Esoteric k-03 looks to be a must audition unit, Its worth doing so, I do not know if its our cup of tea?, we love the sound of tubes with quality solid state, likly as time goes by we will go the route of a state of the art pre-amp, thats costly!, it seems you have to morgage your home to better the sound of running direct from source, I do know there is pre-amps that are better, the cost is $10,000.00 plus to have a pre-amp that will!, then more cables!, so in the infant stage of this system it makes alot of since to obtain a intergrated digital player with analog or digital volume control to get by untill the day rolls around when we can get a pre-amp of that caliber, we would settle for nothing less!, I know its not about how much something cost!, It seems one will have to spend big money to achieve a pre-amp to be that good!, we are back at the drawing board, Dcs makes a good player with volume control, thats an option, I am open to eanything that may work for a one box player,, Happy listening. |
@ Edorr, BTW, The Ayon 2s has spdif/usb connections too., can be used with a computer like a media player. |
@ Edorr, Hi, Its good to hear from you, The Ayon 2s has volume control, the unit is quite nice, however, the reason of the hunt for another player is during break-in the player sounded great, after 450 hours the sound became forward, roll A front and center!, I have been told alot, but I do not know if eanything can change that sound, I bought the a/c power cable, I cannot use it on the ayon untill I get my amp back from krell, then there is talk of changing the stock tubes to $1,200.00 for 4 nos 1980 reflector Dr 6h30 tubes that will better the sound, I do not believe they can change the forward sound?, then there is resonance control where I basically am an proclaimed expert in, LOL!, the resonance tunning could be the fix, I have to buy the lame devices they have for sale these days to try to accomplish this, the old days, polycrystal products was all you needed!,, I was kidding on the Dcs, I have been told the samething you said about Dcs,, your REf5se is really good, I have read many good things about your pre-amp on the gon,,your plan you have for a pre-amp and cables is what I will do latter when we get more money, it will defiantly take a pre-amp like yours or better, to out perform running direct to amp,,I also own Taralabs, the one cable system, 1- one meter i/c and 6 ft speaker cables thats suppose to go on a second system when we go to rebuild that, had to sale all of it but the cables, to help buy the Tara zero gold i/c!, no regrets as far as the performance goes of the zero gold, the truth is we still miss the second system we once owned! sacrfices!,, I have been asking you about the Esoteric k-03, you have not gave me any feed back on this unit, I have been told the k series is a different animal of a player than the x series of players, I am not sure if I would like the esoteric players?, It is on my audition list thou, wont hurt to listen to one, huh?, they have some esoteric dealers up your way around Atlanta, Ga and in new orleans, LA, meterie, LA. I am still up for whats possible, I will also go digital media later as well, since they are craming that mediam down our throats,saying,, this is the future!, cd-players are dieing,, LOL!, they have a ways before that will happen!, neitherless, I will be ready!,, BTW, Transparent are good cables, nice choice!, Hopeing for more choices out there for a one box intergrated digital player, all ideas are welcome, cheers. |
@ Almarg, Hi, thankyou so much for the repost, this is the primary reasons why I do not do two box digital systems,Do you believe useing a high quality one box digital system will yield better sound performances based on what has been said above?,will you loose sound quality with the same signal going thru more cables such as a digital cable?, Do you have some sound opinions for an intergrated digital player with analog or digital volume control, that I may audition?, Is there eanyway that you know of that I can fix a forward sound of a player that I already own?, cheers. |
@ Almarg, It is so nice to talk to a engineer, I love it, you and my friend Edorr are awsome!, both of you gentlemen have done me well here with digital, I have spoken to steven I thought in the forums, He always signed off with Audioengr and EmPirical Audio as you said, I give him a chime and see what he may say, thankyou for the two wonderful well said post here! |
@ Audioengr, Steve Nugent, Hi, If you are out there, I need some help with digital, thankyou. |
Thankyou genleman, all of us are always looking for how we can improve up on our sound, sometimes it works out, and sometimes it does not.Happy Listening. |
@ jon2020, I agree!, the exception would be still use what I already own with the exspensive taralabs cables, BTw, Tara makes cast cables to use for krell products! you cannot blame a guy for tring!, I know I am crazy, I mean who in the hell spends this kind of money to enjoy music?, I would laugh too!, Me and the wife have thought serious of doing some cast connections, and a top of the brand krell pre-amp, settle for nothing less!, It would take one awsome pre-amp to better running direct to amp!, I would not knock it to you live with it,BTW, Have you listened to a cipher krell cd-player?, what are your impressions?, Do you own any krell products?, thankyou very much!, I do feel like I am going crazy tring to build this stupid stereo! |
@ Zd542, Hi, Can you come over to the thread, Does eanyone know about the EAR acute 3 thread?, Jafant and me wants to know your dealer hook up, Thankyou Zd542. |
@ Don_s, Hi, I really Had my hopes for the Romulus, Its a fine machine, however, it does not up-sample my stock red book cds to 24/192 format, and I have cdrs that were recorded by folks that I know with state of the art computer systems with costly sound cards, my cdrs are my best software I own!, I love the tube compliment the Romulus has, I just do not dig the transport or the dacs!, you have a awsome player, congrats!, unfortunally, I cannot use it, Aesthetix did say they were working on another player to be introduced, cheers. |
@ jon2020, Hi, We use to own a Krell 300I, that was on our second system, We loved it!, To us, Its the best intergrated amp for the money you can buy on the used market period!, We have never listened to a 400 intergrated, we plan to buy another one for a second system again, we had to sale ours to help pay for the Taralabs zero gold I/C,,, unless you say the 400 is substanially better? |
Jon2020, I agree, my first Krell was the fpb 200, I miss that amp, to much current for a second system, I hate getting in the attic and running more electrical lines!, the 300I or 400 will grace our home once again!, we are going to keep working on this system now, in the spring or summer, we will have another 300I or 400 intergrated Krell by then, I already have the cables for it, the Taralabs the one i/c and speaker cables, these cables will make it sing big time!, we used these cables on it before, turned the 300I into a different animal for the better, cheers. |
Well, I may have great news here, my buddy just tubed rolled his Ayon 2s to spectacular effect!, we both was going to sale our players!, He claimed no more forward sound! huge difference in sound for the better in every way he says!, He put 1972, or 1976, or 1980 nos p-DR 6h30 tubes in it, he will e-mail the exact year!, thats alot more affordable than buying a new player, well see, I may still buy another player and keep the Ayon 2s with these so called super tubes!, cheers to all. |
I am currious is to why no one has mentioned a player, that of all things was dicussed on a amp thread!, The EAR acute 3 player, whats every ones impressions of this player for direct to amps, the reviews are thru the roof!, cheers. |
If eanyone may chime in, I would apreciate the cander. |
