What amp is best with Wilson Sasha DAW speakers

Dear @initforthemusic  : Because I don't need it, you can look my system in Agon virtual system here:

https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/3080

R.

Dear @carey1110 : Neutral?, well almost all of us look for a neutral audio items but this is extremely elusive characteristic for tube electronics that are far away from there.

Btw, why you are willing to buy the preamp first than the amp? which is what move you in that road and not the other way around?

I ask because I want to learn something about that maybe I’m missing or it’s that I’m just wrong and if it’s that way I would like to know it.

Thank’s in advance.

R.

Btw, the Pass X250.8 is an entry level Pass whole amplifier catalog but good that you will have the opportunity to listen a " touch " of Pass electronics.

Dear @carey1110 : Preamp is always important but when we are talking of the speakers in any system amplifier is a little more important because the speakers always made a intrisical couple/mate with the amplifier not with the preamp. Speaker/amp are a " married " couple and depends of its good ( or not ) overall relationship in between to its quality level performance.

Maybe you need to start with the amp not the preamp.

R.

Dear @initforthemusic  : I'm not a JC1 owner.

Btw, @jetter   : """   Parasound gets a bad rap by dealers wanting to sell mega priced gear. ""

Yes, but for we music lovers/audiophiles true quality level performance is more important than money. Big money not always goes along high quality in the same way that " decent " money $$ not always says its true quality.

R.

Dear @verdantaudio: """  As someone who doesn’t particularly like Parasound’s house sound, .................................................. and would take the M8 Mono Blocks over the JC1s.  It isn’t that they are inherently better.  I just like MFs sound profile better.  ""

What an answer ! Our opinions are only that: opinions.

R.

With all respect, always is useless to discuss with a bia$ed $seller.

"""  Maybe for some one the Boulder or dartzeel or other amps fulfill better his own priorities but the JC1 never puts your system on shame. """

R.

Dear seller: I respect your opinion and disagree with.

In the same system with Wilson MAX3 the JC1s was a real challenge to  the Boulder amps.

No, it's not that outperformed but the Boulder did not beats the JC1.

I listened too with Soundlabs top of the line speakers making not a good job or so so but a great job and other than my own system I listened the JC1 with Dynaudio one step down its top of the line.

For me in all systems the JC1 did not makes a " decent " job but a true very good job.

I'm not biased through the JC1 but in my book and with my own MUSIC/sound priorities ( main target: truer to the recording. ) the JC1 is " there " no matters what.

It has very good tonal balance, tigth and deep bass but at the other frequency extreme is really good too. Has impact and dynamics with power as the live music and at the same time detailed with fast transientes, colorless but the music natural color and with good rhythm and with enough headroom.

Maybe for some  one the Boulder or dartzeel or other amps fulfill better his own priorities but the JC1 never puts your system on shame.

What the OP decide on his amplifier is only important to him. I have not interest in any way to convince him or any other gentleamns on this Parasound amplifier and I'm only given my first hand experiences through very high resolution audio systems.

As I said in other post: JC1 is not expensive enough for really been appreciated its quality level performance, not even by audio distributors as you.


R.

Dear @initforthemusic  : Spectral, ML, Krell, Gryphon, Audio Note Ongaku, Atmasphere, Air Tigth, Lamm, Conrad Johnson, Plinius, Joule, Audio Research, MBL, ASR, Boulder, Nagra, Rowland,  Thrteshold/Pass, Rogue, Ayre, SimsAudio, Wavac,  VTL, Cary, Luxman, Mcintosh, Halcro,   Crown, Denon, Nad, Naim, Dartzeel, YBA, Chord, Classé, Coda, Edge,  etc, etc .

Too many to name it and paired with very good audio systems, some I experienced in my system and in other systems.  Ovbiously I don't listen to all audio amps but I have enough experience about to post that " ridicolous " statement.

Please let me know how many times do you listen the JC1s and with which speakers ?

R.

Dear @initforthemusic  : I don't know the Halo 21 ( I never listened. ) but the Parasound JC1 monobloks are far away of that mediocrity/average quality performance and competes with any amplifiers you can name it, at any price.

Yes, whealty gentlemans could never think to buy Parasound because is not enough expesive and maybe the Parasound name preclude that they been a proudly owners.

Room/sistem quality performance levels depends mainly of the owner MUSIC/audio knowledge level and his priorities. Money could means nothing with out that true knowledge levels. Mediocrity/average quality performance belongs to a low knowledge levels.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

Dear @carey1110  : """  for a warm inviting very musical sound. Something I can play all day without ear fatigue but still very detailed. Realism. """


well, I think that a MUSIC lover as you and I imagine almost all audiophuiles are looking for our room/system reproduce with true fidelity what is in the recording.

That could means that if the recording is in the warm side that's what we listening to but if what is in the recording is not to warm that must be what we must to listen.

A good room/system does not editorialize the different recordings we are listen it.
My personal target is to stay truer to the resording that is what put me nearer to the live MUSIC that's my reference.
I know I'm not truly " there " but that's my main room/system target.

Trhough some of the posts that other gentlemans posted I read that word: " warm " for the MUSIC and some reference to tube elctronics and only you posted about : " detailed and realism " that are live MUSIC characteristics where warm is not in any sense.

Truer to the recording means to listen what the recording microphones pick up during the recording sessions where those microphones are " seated " at near field position ( 2m-3m ) not at 15m-20m + that is normally where we are seated in live events, many times even more far away from the source.

If any one of us seated at near field listen a trumpet/horn or piano or violin players playing at live SPLs no one of us can say we are listening " warm " sound, that does not exist in live MUSIC events we attend seated at nearfield position that's where the recording microphones are.
So, why many of us want to listen something that just does not came in the recording?.

Yes, it's each one of us privilege to listen any thing we want in the way we want it, this is not under questiononing in any way.

In the other side , I don't know how many of you already experienced with top room/audio systems FM Acoustics electronics or the extremely humble JC1 amplifiers because I did t several tiemes along with some of the D'Agostino designs or Vitus or ARC Boulder and the like.

It's not easy to find out second hand FM Acoustics electronics because the owners just keep it for .ever. M.Huber designs started and still follows in the big studio recordings all over the world and nothing can " touch " it as nothing can"  touch " his home systems audio items.

@carey1110  and please don't be worried for that so low price of the JC1s, its quality level performance for a ridiculous fraction of the price of those very heavy $$$$ priced electronics is true competitive.

The best way to go with your system is with separates where you don't merry with a signature preamp or signature amplifier for ever. With separates you always has the alternative to change the preamp or amp in the time you decide to do it and with separates.
In the amps subject monobloks is the way to go, as nearer the speakers as best quality performance.

Btw, money is always important but money/high price is not always a synonimous of " better ".
The dombination of money and KNOWLEDGE level ( high or low ) is what makes the success happens or not.

I gave my opinion according my personal targets and MUSIC/sound priorities. The others gentlemans not disclosed yet their priorities and certainly don't have to do it.

I'm not biased to take your money or to spend your money, I'm biased to the MUSIC.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

https://www.fmacoustics.com/products/line-stages/fm-255-mkii-r/

Dear @mdp632   : I only shared my personal experiences with.

 I really like Spectral and admire prof. Johnson not only for its electronics but his subs and recordings. He is very innovative in many design subjects as that Mhz band-windth in its electronics that is not easy to handle with a not precise design.

I respect every one opinion and that is my experience, maybe I did not acchieved all the " glorious " of the units because non MIT cables but I don't like in those old time those cables and certainly not its high price.

The JC1s are competitive even against Spectral and the Ayre and FM Acoustics are not on shame ginst Spectral or any other premp.

R.

Dear @carey1110  : Great speakers those Sasha Dawn. Are speakers that needs a high current amp to honor it and you have to remember that its impedance goes down 2.48 at 85hz that's an " all day " frequency.

Spectral is very good and does not needs the MIT cables and I know because I used with out it and performs great. 

Spectral preamps are very goo too  but for amp for your speakers I think that you can't wrong with the Halo JC1s monoblocks designed by J.Curl for Parasound.
 These amps are extremely hard to beat and its quality level performance ( in my experiences with top speakers . ) is second to none and competes with heavy $$$$$ amp s. You can't ask for more and a bargain at its low price:

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9fc7b-parasound-halo-jc-1-solid-state

here its specs/features: 
https://www.parasound.com/jc1.php

  other very good alternatives:

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9e4a8-spectral-dma-400-rs-mono-amps-solid-state

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis99ha4-mark-levinson-no-536-solid-state

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9b483-krell-600e-evolution-solid-state

For a preamp these are excellent units:

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9dchc-ayre-acoustics-kx-r-twenty-reference-dual-mono-preamplifier-class-a-solid-state

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9aff0-fm-acoustics-resolution-255-reference-solid-state



Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.