What about diamond cantilever/stylus combo


In the so called 'MM thread' J. Carr explained the differences between cantilever materials.The advantage of aluminum cantilever being that the stylus can be pressure
fitted while by the so called 'exotic cantilevers' the stylus need to be glued in the cantilevers. There are different conditions which the cantilever need to satisfy
in order to ,uh, satisfy the preferences of an designer. J. Carr also explained why he prefers boron cantilevers. Now I own the Sony XL 88 as well as the Sony XL 88 D.
'D' referring to the cantilever and stylus made from one piece of diamond. But here is my confusion. Both carts have the same 'generator' and also the same technical specs. But 'soundwise' they are as different as an Lada and an Ferrari (by way of speaking or by exaggeration). The comparisson between French wines as well between the French chief cooks come to mind.BTW the pudding will also do. Without any technical pretenitons I would think that the only explantion for the mentioned difference should be the diamond cantilever/stylus combo. If it was possible I would gladly retip my chosen MC carts with such cantilever/ stylus combo and pay, say, $1500 for the jewel. Now if there is demand then there should be supply? The question is if there is 'interesting demand' for the possible producer(s)?

Regards,
128x128nandric

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@griffithds is that your fist post in a while or am i missed something ? Glad you returned to the message board.
Anyone can post a picture of so called "one piece diamond stylus combo" ? I know that SONY announced them as one piece, indeed, back in the day. I'd like to see it 

This is the only Diamond cantilever that i have. Is it one piece or two pieces ? 
 
I to have heard rumors of the one piece sony diamond stylus / cantilever combo but have never seen a picture. Namiki currently makes a diamond assembly but it is two piece where the diamond is set in a laser drilled hole.


www.intactaudio.com/forum/files/screen_shot_2019_01_01_at_110035_am_295.png @intactaudio

Thanks for the link, well this is conventional method. However, i can’t see a glue on Dynavector, Diamond or even Ruby have almost no glue in comparison to the SoundSmith Ruby for example (which has a big drop of glue to fix the tip). The old method of Dynavector is to make a hole in the gemstone to fit in the stylus tip throght the hole with minimum glue @dover

As i can see the SoundSmith method is completely different, there is no hole, just a drop of glue around the tip, here is another one after re-tipping.

Anyway, i hope to see a picture of one piece diamond cantilever/stylus combination
@trytone Think about mass, rigidity and hardness 

The reason why some of the best cantilevers are extremely stiff and not made out of glue. They are stiff and very light like vintage Boron Pipe later replaced with Boron Rod. It's pretty easy to use a drop of glue instead of some very expensive laser etching techniques in mounting diamonds on the cantilevers made of boron, ruby or diamond. 

A diamond mounted with a drop of glue can fell off easily, especially when people using liquid stylus cleaning. 

The best cartridges designed in the golden age of vinyl are all have super rigid cantilevers with diamonds mounted without or with minimum (hardly visible) amount of glue, depends on the cantilever type. 

Re-tippers can't do that, they can only drop some glue on the cantilever (if it's Boron, Beryllium, Sapphire, Diamond etc, except the Aluminum). 

While some serious cartridge manufacturers back in the day applied laser micro sudgery to attach the diamong on such cantilevers throguht the micro hole made in the cantilever for superb rigidity of this construction and lower possible moving mass.  
@jpjones3318


http://fidelisanalog.com/2018/10/20/sony-xl-88d/


Hey, this is one-piece diamond stylus-cantilever, right ?
So for @trytone  this is the best example, no glue at all