Weakest Link in my system... Power Supply, DAC, or...


Hello fantastic Audiogon Community,

 

I am wondering what you all think is the next highest impact upgrade to my system. I have spent the past 8 months upgrading my entire main system to the following:

 

  • SPEAKERS: Pure Audio Project Duet 15 Horn (Mundorf Silver Gold Oil Cap upgrade and high pass filter, Duelund 16 internal wiring and speaker cables to amp)
  • AMP: PrimaLuna Dialogue Premium HP Integrated (Gold Lion KT77 power tubes, Briar and Mullard NOS gain tubes)
  • DAC: HoloAudio Spring 2 Level 3 Kitsune edition
  • PHONO: Music Hall MMF-9 and McIntosh MP 100 Preamp (but I’m focusing on the digital for this thread)
  • INTERCONNECTS: Duelund 16 (Perfection interconnect)
  • STREAMER: Nagra Streamer (Nordost Blue Haven Coax)

 

I listen to Roon / Qubuz when streaming.

 

I was wondering what you all think would be my next upgrade with the biggest impact. Some thoughts:

  1. DAC: The Holo Audio is from 2019. I enjoy the sound, but haven’t compared with any other modern DAC’s in my system. I imagine DAC progress has been significant since the 2019 release of this DAC?
  2. POWER SUPPLY: I hear over and over that the power supply for the amp, DAC, and Streamer may matter quite a bit. I am curious about this…. Would this be the biggest gain of performance for my system? All power is stock presently.
  3. PRIMA LUNA UPGRADES: I hear a lot about capacitor and resistor upgrades to my amp.... 
  4. ROOM TREATMENT: Since my main system is in my living room, I am a little constrained on room treatment. It is about 12’ x 16’ with an 8’ ceiling, hardwood floors and rugs and sofas about. I could build book shelves for the corners of the room where speakers reside, but that is about the only thing I could add to this particular room at this time. (Bass traps are likely out of the question due to aesthetics)

 

Looking forward to your advice on my last big moves before I surrender my wallet to the joy of music.

 

Till next,

r.

whyrichard

Clean power is important.  If you're using stock power cords w/o a conditioner, I think spending a little is warranted.  For me, I saw large improvements by going to all Audioquest NRG-Y3 (or better) power chords and something as inexpensive as an Audioquest Powerquest 303 or 505. Better clarity, tighter bass.

Better DAC helped get tone, clarity, and bass extension for me.

Don't sell the house or modify such WAF gets affected!

My room sounds pretty much like your listining space (dimensionally the same opening to a dining room) I run a smaller horn based system with simaler electronics. My reccomendation would be to work on the room.

I just went through this for a second time. This time using more appropriate acoustic panels. My system throws a  plausible ,solid center stereo image but not a lot of depth to the sound stage. After treating the room is is no longer and issue .

GIK is a good starting place for info.

 

 

Greetings r,

Power supply and then room treatment/acoustics. The order is not important.

I've rebuilt/redesigned  the PS in my amps and preamp including custom wound tranny and chokes. Fortunately, I have the technical skills. Huge improvement and a rather expensive proposition to undertake.

I also applied room treatments courtesy Acoustics First many years ago. Corner traps, flat panels and deflection curve panels. Once done, the improvement is profount; I've not had the desire to swap gear 'monthly'. lol

I've JUST gone digital in my small solid state system with a Wiim Ultra. I'm not the guy to comment on DACs or streamers, other than power supply is important.

If you have the skills go for the soldering iron otherwise do the best you can with room treatments.

 

Cheers,

-W

Hello OP

 

As others have posted, you listening room may be your constraint. My audiophile nephew told me in the past that he has gained the most impact by improving room acoustics. At first, I did not really dig that, until no matter what I do, the changes are just incremental. One day, I contacted ATS acoustics and spoke with their support. I told them my room and my gear. they suggest the panels and I just got everything they told me (see my profile) 

Once all installed and after a few days, I notice that I can bring up the volume and I can hear more into the music. I am a bit deft, but I am sensitive to tone, timbre and spatial differences. 

Since you have the PAP speakers, which i have heard, you are good to go. BUT!!! That speaker needs to integrate with the room; it is so ROOM dependent. The better the room acoustics, The better that sounds. IMHO, you will be best served with Room Acoustic treatments. 

Lastly you mentioned about Prima Luna upgrades (Caps and resistors). To me that is another topic all together. I am very familiar with this as my 845 Audio Note clone power amp was built with all premium parts such as Mundorf, Audio note and Dale resistors and Japan Irons. It was assembled that way. When we did a shootout between an Audio Research and VTL amp, my clone easily equaled the VTL and surpassed the AR.

Hope you find which path you want to take

Again, this was in IMHO only. 

Obviously the room, although it needs slightly unique solutions for open baffle speakers. I ran various models of open baffle Alon's for years, and I previously owned PL I can't recall if it was you or someone else, in any case there is recent thread on mods for your PL. Open baffles like to be well away from room boundaries, but then you may lose bass moving them out further into room. You could also try EL34 tubes with PL, I always preferred EL34 to KT family in push pulls, EL34 has magic mids the others can't match.

 

So, room becomes somewhat moot if audio specific treatments not allowed, just get the speakers well away from room boundaries. Clean power is where I'd go next with your system, don't cheap out here, dedicated lines and good grounds go a long way, assuming you can modify your electrical service. Power conditioner would also be at top of list for improvement, you'll get endless advice as to which one. Beyond that your dac is next weakest link, and r2r dac's not necessarily rolled on top, I have r2r and Sabre chip dac, implementation of any protocol or chip is key. Your system very nice foundation for excellent sound quality, don't need wholesale changes.