douglas_schroeder
My goal is to curate the thread to prevent as many tangential discussions as possible. I have no problem with such things being discussed, but imo if they are discussed here it becomes a quagmire to the primary objective of seeing the results of the survey and discussion pertaining solely to the efficacy of fuses.
Very noble. But you already said that. Nobody is creating a quagmire. Hel-loo!
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George dribbles hard to the basket but he hits his foot with the ball and it goes to the other team. ⛹️♂️
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@gdhal Did you drop acid this morning or something? You sure are acting crazy. 🤪
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kosst_amojan
I can promise you that I can use $50 to improve almost any piece of gear in a more useful way than a fuse ever could. It's not a matter of cash. It's a matter of brains, and fuses are brainless.
“A brain is a terrible thing to have.” Another acid eater pipes up.
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jetter
Geoff, clearly something is up with you since al wrote his piece stating that wolf was a valued member of A’gon. Your posts have taken on a new attitude. I truly enjoy your don rickles of A’gon routine, but he had $30M when he met his maker, its a little unclear what you are getting out of all of this.
jitter, I always value your posts and hang on every word. 😛
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That’s one of my favs too. See, we agree sometimes. 🤠 |
gdhal, not too be too harsh about this as I value your input (cough, cough) but you appear to be an excellent example of why some people should not (rpt not) ingest psychedelics. 🤡 I am the King of Fiction and the King of Truth.
Just an observation. It seems HAL is stuck in a DO loop. Maybe time to call Maintenance. |
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Doug, when are you going to weigh in on this weighty subject? You promised you would. 😀 so far all I see is a lot of moderation and facilitation.
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Such a strange answer. Details! Details! Why so reticent? Oh I know. You’re afraid of the blowback. 🤡
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Whoa! What? Is there a full moon or something? |
The Blue Fuse thread is still open. There have been a few, ahem, deletions recently, I’m not saying that. 😀
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That’s the way it goes sometimes. Someone should start a new one but don’t tell you know who where it is. 😀
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gdhal
Just so any interested party should know, any reference to me and drugs goes way back many years. Nothing current, except beer. I’d venture to say the majority of the world does or has tried some kind of drug, especially if one considers doctor prescribed drugs. Some of the greatest musicians have experimented too. Including the Beatles, which the vinyl lovers among the group typically revere. If you haven’t tried it, you ought to. It opens one mind to creativity and possibilities, not the impossible.
Uh, Earth to gdhal.👨🚀 Did drugs give you magic powers? Did drugs turn you into Carnak the Magnificent? Able to know anything about fuses without any experience or technical argument to back it up? Didn’t you get the memo? Drugs are sometimes unpredictable, unlike fuse directionality, making some folks minds contract and close down, you know, rather than expand and open up. Beer has an effect of dulling the mind from I observe. Maybe you should consider switching back to drugs. 🤠
“Turn on, tune in, drop dead.” A.E. Newman
“People would be generally much better off if they believed in too much rather than too little.” P.T. Barnum
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gdhal, this is your brain 🧠 This is your brain on drugs 🍳
Just say No.
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gdhal
@geoffkait
"Clowns are the pegs on which the circus is hung". P.T. Barnum
Eggs ackly! I assume you misfired. Better load again.
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It’s a time honored tradition here for me to have the last word. |
@gdhal, pseudoskeptics are the pegs clowns hang their unmentionables on. 🤡 I am the king of lies and the king of truth. You are the queen of pseudoskeptics.
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@gdhal - Help me out. What is it called when someone posts the same thing over and over - as you have - without getting any results? Isn’t there a word for that? Besides stalking. Also, it would be really nice for other folks who might still be reading this thread if you put a little content and/or humor in your posts as they have become rather dry and barren. Like the desert. Is that asking too much?
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Did you come up with that all by yourself? Now you can have the last word. I promise.
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gdhal,
Something is obviously wrong with you. Have you considered going on the Dr. Phil Show?
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gdhal
Fair enough. Then, given the recent communication, I’d imagine you might consider extending an apology to me for using the word "fraud" numerous times. What we have is a simple disagreement as to how any kind of testing would be performed. No right or wrong per se, just a difference of opinion. Thanks.
>>>>OK, maybe it’s time to review the bidding. The reason I say it’s a “fraud” is not because gdhal is intentionally perpetrating a fraud or a hoax, at least as far as I know, but because of something fundamental to testing in general. Keep in mind blind tests are almost always presented by skeptics as PROOF that a particular device or idea is a hoax or false. Even though no test has yet been done. Uh, hel-loo! See the fallacy with the argument? So anyway, the fundamental flaw is that a single audio test, any test, even a test done with care and thoroughness, if the results are negative the conclusion cannot be drawn that the device or concept under test failed. The reason the single test with negative results has no meaning is because there are a great many things that can go wrong to produce negative results. I’m not even considering the case where the test is manipulated to produce negative results. I don’t even have to go there.
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gdhal, Yes, I realize your comment was directed at cleeds. But you were going on about fraud so much I decided to expound on the idea that blind tests are inherently “a fraud.” Especially when it’s only the threat of blind tests. You don’t even have the decency to wait for the test results. That’s just plain silly. 😂
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I’m getting a very bad feeling.
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gdhal
geoffkait - “I’m getting a very bad feeling.”
Oh stop. You love this kind of stuff. Remember, withdrawal symptoms otherwise :)
>>>>>>>I have an upset stomach, if that’s what you mean. By the way, are you like, 15?
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The answer is simple. It’s called intellectual dishonesty. It’s just a little game they play. The game is called Let’s Pretend to be Real Skeptics. Nothing to take too seriously. Just play along.
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Well, gdhal 👨🚀, I can’t very well respond to *you* since, as is oft the case, you didn’t actually say anything. You’re obviously boosting your post count to appear to be a player. Anyone else see the irony, as soon as I mention intellectual dishonesty guess who shows up? 😛 |
clearthink
geoffkait"The answer is simple. It’s called intellectual dishonesty. It’s just a little game they play."
I suspect that there is truth to this to some point but it is apparent also that many of these people are actually just consumed with faith, fervor and belief it is there defense mechanism against fear and the unknown and we must be tolerant and accept they’re faith for they are free to embrace the gospel of they’re choosing as are we should we choose to embrace a faith at all of course if we choose to not embrace a faith that must also be tolerated but tolerance is something that audio fundamentalists are often short of as is evidenced here on a regular basis.
>>>>It’s no such thing. It’s just a friendly game of whack a mole. That’s all. No real belief, no real faith, no real anything. Score: Naysayers 100, Believers 3.
Cheers
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Jitter, are you experiencing acid reflux again? Relax, I’m joking.
Besides, I thought everyone talked down to gdhal. 🤡
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amg56
The answer is easy.
Those that like to waste their money on expensive un-industrial/ un-scientifically proven trinkets like fuses and goo are welcome to waste their money. But DON’T pollute the Audiophile forums trying to sell the stuff to others until the items can and are proven REPEATEDLY by scientific testing to do what is professed they do.
Those who don’t believe in them, ignore the subject and save your money. Let the believers run around, drink red cordial and say obviously silly things they cannot prove.
>>>>I’m afraid you’re following the wrong sheep. NASA was designing advanced fuses for space missions 20 years ago. Didn’t you get the memo. That was just before fancy Audiophile Fuses began to hit the market around 15 years ago. Coincidence? You decide.
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Whoa! Hey! Whatever happened to freedom of choice? If I bought a component with a pre-installed fancy fuse in it I would almost certainly replace it. At a minimum I’d reverse it to check for directionality, not that I don’t trust manufacturers. Cough, cough. Audiophiles don’t necessarily want the manufacturer making the decision for Fuses OR Power Cords, but thanks anyway.
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Uh, NASA was developing advanced fuses for space missions 🛰 when you were still wearing bell bottoms. Besides, didn’t you get the memo? Bussman is the latest “official fuse company” to jump on the audiophile bandwagon with their $400 offering.
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Mods, do your duty. Make it look like an accident.
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No problem, ptss, it’s ok to pretend to be obtuse with me. You are pretending, aren’t you? I assume ptss is abbrev. for post traumatic stress syndrome, no? Cute!
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Let’s hope the military isn’t paying for fancy fuses what they paid for toilet seats on Air Force One. Who has better fuses, the military or NASA or audiophiles? Do guys tanks listen to high end systems whilst driving around on maneuvers? Does Air Force One have a high end sound system?
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I hate to judge too quickly but it appears the Naysayers and Pseudo Skeptics have settled on drugs and psychological effects as their final answer. |
The floor is all yours, hotshot. Make it something entertaining. Regale us with your focus.
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kosst_amojan
Your imagination makes more difference than any fuse. Some seem to like pouring crazy money into their imaginations. Drugs work better than fuses.
>>>>>So sayeth the Flashback Kid. Got them old flashback blues?
>>>>>I predict the other drug addict posts just about ....now! 😬 I can’t decide which would be better for you two. An intervention or a deprogrammer.
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Good one, spaceman! 👨🚀 What are you, like 15? You obviously don’t get it. I always get the last word. It’s the custom.
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I’m going to do something I don’t usually do and that’s help out the pseudo skeptics. There is such a thing as placebo effect, probably most applicable to medical applications rather than audio, but I give you that. There is such a thing as expectation bias, also. I’ll grant you that. And the variations like reverse expectation bias. However, those “psychological” effects can be relatively easily eliminated by careful testing. So, it’s illogical to use those effects to explain ALL positive results which is the standard pseudo skeptic line. i should also point out those “psychological effects” - placebo and expectation bias - are essentially tricks of the mind, or “psyching yourself out.” I.s., they are conscious effects!
As opposed to more interesting and more difficult to explain “psychological effects” evident in Peter Belt products like Silver Rainbow Foil and Cream Electret. Those two audio products operate on a different “psychological level” than placebo effect or expectation bias. They do affect the sound but not in the conventional sense, as they do not affect the audio signal anywhere, they are not dampers or RFI inhibitors, or have any affect on wiring or cabling anywhere in the room. Most importantly, the subconscious influence of the Peter Belt products, unlike placebo and expectation bias, can’t (repeat can’t) be eliminated by careful testing. They are subconscious and or physical. So they must be real.
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You beat me to it, spaceman. 👨🚀
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gdhal
cleeds - If offense was your objective, it's unfortunate that you've been disappointed.
@geoffkait
This is your queue
>>>>>Did someone hit you in the head with a queue stick, spaceman? 👨🚀
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Yet the laughs keep coming. 😀 Thanks, George, I knew I could count on you. |
medwardo
I’ve used the Black SR fuses in most of my electronics for a year or two.
They aren’t either a gift or snake oil, but somewhere in between.
Some sound improvement, but with 6 fuses in my amp, it’s almost a grand to outfit it...not sure that the improvement was worth a grand in retrospect.
My amp blew a fuse...which one(s)?...I don’t know...I can’t see the filament in the SR fuses.
Wasn’t willing to swap one fuse in and out to troubleshoot as I have to disconnect cables, pull the amp from the rack, take the bottom & top of my amp off to do that...and doing that 6 times or more, right...
>>>>I bet establishing the proper orientation of all six fuses was a bear. 🐻
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spaceman 👨🚀 you’re over-thinking it. You might strain your brain. 🧠
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georgehifi
kosst_amojan
HEY!!! were on the same side in this thread. Don’t!!! call me dishonest, your the one who posted a statement what looked like someone said it because YOU put in "colon quotes" not me mate, next time don’t do it !!! Because it looks like you said he said it!!!!!! Even if you said in essence!
>>>>Uh, oh, looks like there’s trouble in Paradise. Is this just a case of he said she said? 😛
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kosst_amojan
@nonoise
So, if I give you a good dose of LSD reality itself has now morphed into something else and the rest of humanity should be able to perceive that? The causal link between phenomenon in the universe and what you perceived them to be is very loose at best. There is no phenomenon in the universe know as blue. Blue is purely a construct of your perception based upon your biological reaction to electromagnetic radiation of a certain energy value. It’s highly debatable whether any two people experience that the same way. The color blind certainly don’t.
I don’t know what your jibber jabbering about now. But the scientific method involves observing a phenomenon. That’s why humans have five senses, including the sense of hearing. We were granted the keen sense of hearing as a defense for survival. Prehistoric man needed excellent hearing and vision to detect and observe predators close by. We can even integrate what we hear and see to obtain direction. If you have hearing problems you should consult a specialist. Obviously some folks are deaf and some are color blind. We obviously aren’t talking about them. One sense some humans were apparently not granted was the sense to come in out of the rain.
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Innocent question. Why do many naysayers seem to enjoy being kicked in the head? Now, don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with that. In fact it’s a marriage made in heaven since I enjoy kicking them in the head. 😀
note to spaceman. Learn to spell or haven’t you gotten that far in school yet? |
