We Can Make Classic Cars Outperform Today's "SuperCars": Why Not Vintage Audio?


If you spent $2M on a modern "Supercar", you’d arrive at the end of a quarter mile 2 football fields behind the quickest highly-modified "street legal" cars from the muscle car era. You could show up at an Autocross event in your late model "track ready" sports sedan, and be embarrassed by a lady pushing a 1986 Monte Carlo between the cones.

There’s a lot of resources and talent in the automotive aftermarket. Many of the brightest minds earned weekly paychecks in their "past lives" at major auto manufacturers. There are various disciplines involved including complete engine and drive train replacements, serious add-on/mods to existing components, bigger/better brakes, track-ready suspensions, etc. They can even slide a complete new high-performance rolling chassis underneath popular models.

So, why not vintage audio? Well, we do dip our toes into this a bit. There are popular speaker crossover replacements for the DYI crowd. But, these fall sonically short of their contemporary "high end" counterparts. The automotive equivalent of replacing a 2 BBL carb on a cast iron manifold with a 4 BBL carb on a cast iron manifold -- while keeping the original single exhaust system intact. We can do simple mods to improve the sonics -- like upgrading an original power cord that you wouldn’t want to use on a 2-splice toaster, much less a high-current amplifier. The really smart guys need to come to the rescue for true audiophile grade solutions.

Understandably there has to be a "high give a s--- factor" related to this. The speed parts industry is fueled by a wildly enthusiastic crowd while vintage audio owners are, like: "whatever". So, the chances of a superb $5k amp/preamp module that drops into a Marantz 1060 chassis and slays any modern gear near it’s price point may not be coming to a town near you anytime soon.

I think this can be incremental if we put our minds and wallets to it. You "car guys" know there are 3 basic types of collector cars. "Showroom stock" represents as close as possible the vehicle as it rolled off the assembly line. "Personalized" generally follows a stock appearance with performance and cosmetic improvements. Generally speaking, the car can be reverted to showroom stock at some point the future. All the original parts are carefully cataloged and placed in safe storage. "Modified" has the appearance of a race car, and performs like one. Often modifications to metal are performed, and in some cases there’s no going back. We can follow similar guidelines as well. We understand the motivation to keep things "stock". We can also understand the audiophiles that love their vintage gear would be open to the concept of a significantly better listening experience while maintaining a stock appearance and functionality. Chopping up an Auburn is a really bad idea. But, upgrading the input terminals on an integrated amplifier may be highly palatable for those cherished collectables.

I also get it that the ROI would be questionable. An amp that has a current market value of $2k with $5k worth of mods might still be worth $2k -- or less.

What say you?

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I love the Nova story though I am far more into all aspects of performance so brakes and suspension are critical in all I have done. I still have a 400HP Fiesta I have not driven in 3 years, built to take on supercars on road courses and it does. Only those with serious skills and wiling to drive on the edge of adhesion can keep up or beat it. . Compared to stock it rides better, stops better, handles better, does not spin the tires in second gear, just hooks and goes, 2500lbs, 40MPG on the road when cruising, much better car than stock, I did all the work, designed and built half the parts, The day I first drove it it was worth maybe 40 percent of what I invested.

My idea of a nearly perfect blend of old and new. C5/6 or 7 Vette chassis, fully upgraded suspension, brakes, etc, stretched 16 inches, 600 HP NA on pump gas, caged(with proper removable bar) AC, air bags. Two custom 21" neo subs infinite baffle so very little weight, 10 midbass deep in foot wells, massive fully custom built in horns, superb processing, custom modded D class amps, whole system less than 80lbs. Foam filled chassis voids, bonded aluminum channels to minimize sound deadening weight. Racetec seats(very comfy) fire system, etc, under 3,000 lbs wet, 53 Studebaker body and all trim in silver. Fuel injectors in exhaust tips for fun. old tear drop trailer to tow track tires, etc for track days or planned Bonneville runs, drive it to all events. ....I was about half way finished when I decided to retire and go full time RVing.

I have modded everything I ever owned since I was around 4 years old, now 70, never worried about value when done, modding old audio gear seems like a great way to go for those into such things and I enjoy the time building more than using, everything.

Rick

The engine was built to spin 8,800 RPM, 10:1 compression, plenty of room to add boost and double the power.

Out of dozens of projects my all time favorite to just drive and have fun is a pretty stock older Miata:)

Especially DIY, far more rewarding to me than just paying to have things done!

I agree that things are and need to change but also there can be room for fossil fueled racing done cleanly as I have always done starting many decades ago. Even my pure race cars would surpass their perspective street car version tests. That cost me considerably more money and time(I did at least 90% of all fabrication including making intakes, turbo manifold, exhausts, and roll cages, etc.....A cat that can hold up to racing is not cheap and I used re circulation on WG and BOV's.Also consider most race cars are seldom actually driven.

 There are many faults to consider with the big boom in electric vehicle from production to recycling and well as where the power actually comes from that many seem to want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend to not exist. 

 Lifelong into recycling, repurposing, seldom buy anything new no matter how much income I had which at times was considerable. Again, I love the idea of restoring and if wanted, upgrading older gear:):

Another thing overlooked by the media that likes to hyperventilate everything is our solar system moved into a much higher density part of our galaxy which is causing a great deal of the issues we are facing. It is also now starting to move back out of such density so things will get better but how long will that take, how will we adjust to it, etc....................if not for the power mongers controlling the absurdly corrupt  governments, including ours, we would be far more able to deal with these changes.

That said, I actually believe we are heading, as a civilization, to a much better way of being though a bit painful to get there, I sure hope I am right. (this has nothing to do with borders, we need to act together worldwide)