VTV D300 Digital amp


Very similar to the Peachtree GaN 1 but with more power and bigger power supply....Nice WBT jack option.  Nothing to say about the sound, as yet....as this is just now being released and none have been shipped.  But.....this thread is ready when someone gets one and can chime in with their findings.  Just like the Peachtree, this one only has coax input.

 

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Just don't buy and or use Dirac......Dirac is automatic room correction.  You can do the same manually with the 7 eq points in the Flex.....the Flex without dirac is 96K and $200 less.  It takes longer to measure and make the settings and re measure......for sure.....but it is cheaper without Dirac and you get the same results and at 96K.

He will be getting faceplates in without the Purifi logo......The modules are from the same company as used in the Peachtree GaN 1......Elegant Audio Solutions (EAS). There are lots of companies all over the world that do what VTV does....Nord, Apollon, Audionics, Rouge Audio Design, March Audio, etc. All make very good products.....Right now, the only one selling a digital amp is VTV.....free shipping in the US and 30 day money back.

You need volume control in your streamer, xover or computer.  For instance, if you have only CD as a source you could use the $500 Minidsp flex with its remote volume control and you can use all the eq in the flex to equalize and room correct....and then add another amp later if you want to biamp your speakers or make your own speakers.  The $400 IFI Zenstreamer has an app for your phone that has volume control.....you can stream with that or add a hard drive or thumb drive to play files.  Many other streamers have coax out with remote controls or apps to use your phone as volume/controller.  The Lumin U2 mini has LEEDH lossless volume control and everything controlled by the app downloaded to your phone or tablet.

If you are using a streamer with volume control then you can always later add the Minidsp Flex in line to room correct and or to biamp......lots of options

There will be integrated digital amps with switching between usb and coax and built in volume control.......Oh gee.....there already is a digital amp like that.....the Technics at $2700.  But does it sound as good as this EAS module?......the guy at EAS said his was better......is that just talk?  For me, the revolution is not just the purity of these EAS modules but the fact that you can get a couple of stereo amps and bi-amp and room correct using the Flex xover......You can make your own speakers that have zero analog xovers and you will simply blow your mind with purity of  sound.  Cannot do this with the Technics.....well, you could buy two of them.....but now you are talking a lot of money and it would look pretty weird having two big units with volume controls on them in your room.  You still need a streamer with the Technics......so why not have a streamer with volume control and then the Flex and two amps......$3500....or so.......and then bi-amp for incredible sound.  This is what I want.  We all want.....what we want.....he he.  When you know how much xover parts wreck the sound....and then removing the DAC, preamp and normal amp from the chain.....well, I just don't see another more transparent way to make music for under $30K......maybe some super DAC, Preamp, amp and speaker with xover for $30-$50K plus will beat this.......but I would not bet on it.

And I will write this over and over: a "digital amp" is not a normal class D amp. It is an amp that takes a digital only signal (PCM) and converts it to a PWM (class D type of switching) signal and then the class D output stage sends the signal to the speakers. So, you have regular class D.....usually with op amps on the input and lots of feedback......that is as stated above by dynamiclinearity...not digital at all....it is analog switching.....and THEN you have a digital amp which is what I just described. Regular class d amps need a DAC in front of them to decode the digits......a digital amp IS THE DAC and the amp all in one.....big difference. There are no analog stages or feedback in an digital amp.....The limiting factor on sound is the software written on the DSP chip that does the conversion, jitter, clocking, switching frequency and purity of parts and power supply. These EAS boards are great.....but, I am sure we will see all out implementations of this technology within 3-5 years (will cost way more than these boards!!!). This is the blow away the $20K systems teaser board......the blow away the million bucks systems boards are coming later. What a fun ride!

Do a search of my posts and website.....your will find the history....Tact in the 90s, with Lyngdorf using the same? code till now......then Technics.....and also the Exogal Comet Powerdac.

However, these boards from Elegant Audio Solutions are the first ever released that any manufacturer can use to make amps, integrated amps and powered speakers with......and, of course, the code was written by someone else than wrote the above......and it uses GaN transistors. Only the $10K Technics amp uses GaN fets. The $2.7K Technics uses mosfets on the output stage. Lyngdorf and Exogal also use mosfets.

Bi-amping with two of these amps with the Minidsp flex is so way cool. And you also use the flex to room correct and equalize. The benefits of not having a normal DAC, preamp, normal amp, analog cables and having zero passive xover parts plus room correction and equalization is completely over the top. Never before has this been done and you can do it right now. For instance, buy four 12 great inch woofers and mount 2 of them on an open baffle for each channel......put a serious tweeter above it......including the $150 Dayton large dipole AMTPRO-4 and wire the drivers directly to the amps....cross over at 1K and equalize and....OM frickin God.....you will be blown away......transparency like an electrostat without all that junk in the signal path. Of course, you can bi-amp any existing 2 way speaker by removing the passive crossover....and you can make a two way box speaker real easy too. The possibilities for mind blowing sound without spending very much are unlimited.

My research led me to this quote in the Enjoy the Music review.....that I thought I remembered correctly.....indeed, this old guy can still remember....he he:

"The AHB2 (named in tribute to Allen H. Burdick, who founded Benchmark Media Systems in 1983)"

VTV has more power and a bigger power supply and options for WBT jacks and better digital input wire (not yet added to site) than what is in the Peachtree. At some point, I will have both here and mod both of them and compare.....I doubt, after mods there will be much difference......but....you get more power with the VTV.

Just now checked the Peachtree site and it says out of stock for the GaN1 only.....looks like you have to buy it as a package with the Bluesound to get the discounted price?...maybe someone can email them about this........also.....I believe you have to pay shipping......VTV gives free shipping in the US. You pay return shipping if you return it.  After this second batch of Beta GaN1's are shipped the price will be $2K and also sold through dealers.......I imagine.....

sirnui,

Way to go....you tweaky dude!

You and I have the only VTV D300 amps in existence (more coming soon). Right now I am working up mods on the Peachtree GaN 1 (brother of D300). I will be doing the same mods to both amps. Please try some better speaker output wire. I will also be offering my binding post bypass system using quarter inch nylon bolts, nuts, flat washers and wingnuts used as a clamp. This is even better than the WBTs but you cannot use banana plugs.....only spades and bare wire. All speaker connectors suck....please use bare wire or tinned bare wire everywhere you can and especially on speaker cables. I have been hardwiring my amp to my speakers for over 35 years!

Thanks for posting your sonic findings.....most people have no idea how simple mods can completely change and improve the sonics of equipment (and the mods you did will have no impact on measurements....none). I have been tweaking since the 70s.......he he....since I am in my 70s.....maybe that is not so long.

Have fun!

I have ALWAYS (since the early 80s) heard a sonic change with every single thing I have done to the AC power inside a component..  To each his own.  What I did to the GaN 1 the other day was mind blowing....all it was....was purifying the AC going into the amp.  It completely changed the character of the amp....way better sounding.

Remove the speaker connectors from everything......I have not used speaker connectors in over 30 years. Your amp can drive headphones without resistors and junk. However, with a digital only volume control.....you will need a digital volume that has no losses at very low volume.....like the Leedh.....if you have that then why would you want a converter box with all its veils?.....since you have Leedh....give it a try.....start out with lowest volume and turn it up slowly. If you do not have enough control over the volume then you may have to put resistors before the headphone....but why use connectors....just use plastic clamps....or attach tinned wire with resistors (if needed) to your WBT jacks and the other end of the wire to the headphone jack. By the way, I also hardwire my headpones....just clamp the wires from the resistors (if needed) or wire directly to your headphone wires. Why have connectors on your headphones? I also modify my headphone so the headphone wire is hardwired to the headphone driver......LESS IS MORE!