hi, if you really want other advise i will give you mine. unfortunatly you will have to find a way to listen to these speakers for yourself, it is the only way to know which speaker you will like better !! I personally like the revels much better. but it is just my opinion. a friend of mine has the vr4 jr . a good, fun sounding speaker, however he use to have the revel f30s . and to my ear was a much better speaker ! in NO way less full sounding than the VS. in fact the revels were fuller , with much better bass , and less strain at louder sound pressure than the vs speakers. the salons are in a different league than f30s , it is the best speaker I have ever heard regardless of cost. it has amazing full range sound, and breathtaking detail, the best tweeter I have heard , ect you get the picture. find a way to listen to them for yourself , you will not be disapointed, good luck and happy listening, chris