Visual Confirmation Bias


Nice term, Paul. Very impressive. Very scientific.

And original. Well, at least I’ve never seen it before so I’m going to claim it as my own.

Visual Confirmation Bias (VCB) is a variation on confirmation bias that postulates that your brain causes audio gear, particularly speakers, to sound the way they look.

I came up with this idea a week ago when I got my new (used) KEF LS50s. (Note: I’m sure that dozens of people have been talking about VCB for a hundred years. I’m not particularly interested in who preceded me but raising points like that is one of the reasons that this forum exists.)


I had read lots about the speaker and I was expecting accuracy and soundstage precision. Their rich, full sound surprised me. These were not adjectives that were usually attached to these speakers.

I’ve been obsessed with these speakers for the past week, reading about them constantly. I find myself most in agreement with The Absolute Sound, which described the speakers—just after they were released—as possessing a “prevailing sweetness, a harmonic saturation that lends it a dark, velvety overall character, and a bloom that is so pleasing that I began affectionately dubbing it the butterscotch sundae of small monitors.”


But in the years that followed, listener after listener reported a “hard” “bright” sound. And when I look at the speaker, those words make complete sense. A tiny metallic driver in a small box? They look tinny and bright so no wonder some people hear that.

My own strongest experience with VCB: Many years ago, on the pretense of looking for a CD player, I walked into Sound By Singer at its old 16th St. location. After just enough feigned interest, I asked the salesman to listen to something “really pornographic.”

Surprisingly, he was happy to take me into one of the listening rooms. The only specific piece of equipment I remember was a pair of Wilson Speakers. I don’t know which model but they were white and just over six feet tall. Each the size of a restaurant-grade refrigerator. They were somewhere in the neighborhood of $250,000.

Then I settled into the listening chair as the salesman started turning stuff on. Preamp, monoblock, monoblock, God knows what else. I just remember him throwing switch after switch. I have to believe all that gear equaled the price of the speakers.

If ever a system should have disappeared, it was this one. If ever the music should have been revealed to me, it was now. But even with my eyes closed, all I could see—and all I could hear—were these huge speakers looming over me. They could not have been more present in my listening experience.

Visual confirmation bias kept me from enjoying the finest pair of speakers that I’ll probably ever hear. The phenomenon is not to be underestimated.
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If you believe you are immune from this effect, you can have your susceptibility demonstrated via a quick 1.5 minute youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k8fHR9jKVM
Very interesting...

But we must remember that the processing of sound speech is a social interactive proximity phenomenon where the sound is totally associated with the mouth movement of the speaker at ALL time....Then the visual information associated with the PRESENCE of the person who speak dominate the isolated sound....

I am surprized but not so much if i think about it....The most important encompassing information dominate the secondary one and condition it ...

Very interesting.... The general fact that the multidimensional stack of information superseed the partial one is a universal phenomenon.......

A lot of people want to argue that we can’t hear differences between gear because we’re susceptible to such effects, but that’s clearly not the case.
Many people dont think.... They own an opinion and their process of thinking is a search to conform anything around this opinion.... The use of the "placebo" concept out of his medical context to explain an audio experiment is an illustration of this fact.... For sure we are all suggestible beings and thats play a role.... But using this fact to reduce anything that does not conform to our a priori opinion is not thinking very much nor experimenting either....

An example of this universal conditioning is the conditioned prejudice by the market practice that only an upgrading of gear will give to us a new better S.Q.
Most dont even think about that problem, they throw their money without thinking about the way to embed in all his working dimensions their system in the first place... 😁

I know it and for the last 2 years i made experiments and discoveries each week....

My last discovery is astounding for me..... It is about acoustic working dimension controls...

But it is another story for another post....


My best to you....

If I could figure out how to reprogram my brain and put the cells currently devoted to “Crocodile Rock” to more useful purposes, I could solve global warming. Do you suppose that’s Elon Musk’s trick?
Crows are probably conscious said a german researcher this year...

Doctors have already observed after an examination for an alleged disease a university professor working well all his life without almost any cortex...

When we are out of the body, the thinking is more fast on all accounts by NDE experiencers and even by a materialist neurologist who died and change his materialism into spiritual awareness Eben Alexander....

Then....

It is not the allowance of the neurons to a task that make us conscious and more intelligent...By the way the neurons are only a gross scale of the working brain, the billions of microtubules in each neuron is another scale where the true non-algorithmic processes goes on after the research of Penrose and Hameroff...

The brain is only a limitating and adaptative tool to this world not the origin of the intelligence or information dynamics....

It is only my opinion for sure....but the research actually go in this direction....Not in the opposite direction, the dying materialism of the 19 century....
Actually ears are a type of simplistic listening device a sort of Rube Goldberg contraption.

Sorry but it is too much work to replicate to that to someone who really think that this is a real description of this complex phenomenon... Borrow books...

the simplistic minds are those who believe what they hear without question. Report this
When a musician of an orchestra judge the playing timbre of an instrument modifying the compressive force of the strings he judge what he hear without question...

When i hear my speakers in my room producing a better violin timbre after some experiments playing with the dyssemetric compressing of the springs sets, i hear the result without question...

The musician and i are we simplistic minds for that? The musician has his own biases he prefer Guarneri to stradivarius, i prefer my Mission speakers to some other speakers.... Are we simplistic?

Misjudging people by sticking to a decreed opinion about biases, without willing to listen to ANY others experience is simplistic to say the least....

I wil not qualify the Rube Goldberg contraption metaphor and hearing otherwise than child explanation...

Visual confirmation bias are a common place fact in ALL human...

The problem come when dogmatic or simplistic minds use it to negate ALL experiences in audiophile listening...Or in any other human experience...

Adding a weighting factor to explain a phenomenon is one thing, reducing all the phenomenon to this factor is another thing....


i like oldhvymec , i see oldhvymec , i buy oldhvymec , but this does not reduce oldhvymec to be a figment of my imagination.... No more than the increase in S.Q. resulting from my experiments is ONLY a figment of my imagination reducible to my wishes...


By the way this oldhvymec cost only peanuts.... 😊 I recommend to all people to add one to his gear, a low cost tweak.... 😊
We’re not talking about remembering melodies but frequencies
When we judge an audio system qualities, we listen to the instrument playing musical timbre, where melody and harmony one note after the other are the perceived phenomenon....

Timbre perception is not the perception of a passive external sound, it is the dynamical perception/interpretation of a concrete sound in a room, with a continous change of the fundamental frequencies and the spectral envelope...

This perceiving experience is associated with an emotion in the body and this is this emotion which we remember not the concrete sound in itself...


By the way we human listen NOT to abstract frequencies... We listen to TIMBRE.... You misjudged audio experience....You trust to much electronic design reading publicity.... Humans listen to TIMBRE, not  pure frequencies in an anechoic chamber...Ears are not simplistic measuring electronic devices...
Our aural memory isn’t that good for anything but seconds or do we deny that as well.
It is only your blinders that make you to think and affirm that others deny anything about biases or aural memory... Precision about something and adding context is NOT a denegation of something true, save for limited opinionated spirits...


Aural memory has 2 level:

Sound :very short memory, melody for example: very long memory..

In language we forget the sound of the speech shortly NOT the meaning....

In listening music i remember my impression of the sound in my body/brain, it is an emotion associated with the sounds, not the sounds themselves...


Think few seconds before insulting....
Nobody in his right mind can except himself from biases...

The problem is when some people with BLINDERS use biases to explain ALL incremental continuous changes in a set of experiment in acoustic control for example or with the many modifications possible about the audio gear...

Think a little more than few seconds please....Before insulting....
A temporary condition that is eliminated with long term evaluation.
exactly...




Our vision is our most powerful sense, i

This is not true....Like usual you generalyze something out of his sphere to suit your opinion about biases...

The most powerful sense is hearing....

It is the last to go out...

It is the only one sense that link us to people around us in a coma...

In alzheimer patient it is music that ressuscitate them for a while not visual perception...


In the mother body you listen voices and music you do not see....

With sound we can see like bat or dolphins, some blind people demonstrate it easily; but with light we dont listen music or perceive sounds.... Save in exceptional synesthesia phenomenon where a sound is PASSIVELY associated with a color....But there is no ACTIVE concrete perception of sounds with light like perception of concrete forms with sound beam produced by a bat or a blind....





«OM is the original sound, before the universe OM is»- A rishi

«In the beginning is the logos»- in French we translate it by the word "verbe" like the english word "verb"....

Logos in greek is a very complex concept untranslatable in our languages, it means something unifying and transcending reality, language and thinking....It is an act....

«In the beginning was the act»- Goethe’s Faust....
It is very simple to decrease the power of these visual biases....

Dont upgrade anything before everything is well embedded...





Placebo effect and bias CANNOT explain anything in a real powerful incremental series of change or experience and experiments ... They play a role in small borderline changes....

Placebo dont explain miraculous cancer remission....

Biases dont transform my wife in the most beautiful woman in the world...

Perceiving is a learning experience and i am tired of those who associate it with surperhuman pretense....
My audio room look like an atrocious mess created by a mad scientist.... Nothing is beautiful....

No confirmation visual bias here....

But a sound that is better to my ears than anything i ever listen to in the past and better than many 5 or 6 figure system in bad room on youtube...

The secret : Controlling the mechanical,electrical and acoustical working dimensions.... The 3 embeddings of the system.... Keep the esthetic, i cannot afford his price anyway, i will keep my audio room and my out of this world S.Q. at peanuts costs...

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