Vinyl***What If***

Dear @uberwaltz : You are rigth and agree. The issue in prof, orpheus you and me dialogue is a little different and yes that dialogue in between is not exactly the OP but we have the opportuniy on the subject in between. Don't you think ? and I mean it when said: WE.

R.

Dear @prof  1 : In good shape: many recording microphones positions are at 1-3m. from the music source.
Now, those microphones have a wide frequency range around  ( some of them. ) 10hz to over 50khz and can accept over 120++ SPL coming from the source and can does this in continue way for " hours ".

"""   I grew up in a house with saxophones, clarinets, drums, french horns, trumpets, 4 different pianos ...."

with any of those instruments but maybe drums for how many hours/minutes/seconds can you listen it at 1m-2m. from it with the instrument player playing at live concert/presentation SPLs?

if we take a trumpet maybe you can listen for no more than 2 minutes and if you hold there more time you will suffer severe ears damage and I'm talking of 120+ SPLs.

3 Blind Mice LP recordings its microphones are not at 1m-3m but inside the instrument including with piano instrument.

Analog just can't be nearer to that " truer to the recording " target as digital can.
As digital and every other " stuff " analog has precise limits and are shorter than the digital alternative.

Analog and digital limits have its limit foundations in the whole recording playback overall proccess that you or me can't change. Both alternatives " lives " inside  its own limits and we audiophiles listen and enjoy both mediums inside those limits.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

@uberwaltz , that your daugther likes analog or you like it or I like it is that the issue and means nothing on this dialogue.
You are talking of a different issue that me, so we can't agree not that I'm against what you posted.

@orpheus10  : Come on, he does not need it. Do you know whom is he?, let that he tell you about.

R.

Dear @prof  1 :  This is at least the second time you tal of what you are but the " trouble " is not that at the end the matters is that we are talking of different issues.

When for you  ""  that one’s own goals are not the default goals of other people... ""

those " other people goals " are personal ones and the target I name it is a " universal target " not a personal. My personal targets are in second step below the universal/main target just in the same way your goals are personal too.

I don't care of your goals or even mine but how acomplish that univeral/main AUDIO TARGET because with out this univeral target you and me just can't acomplhis our personal targets. 

As nearer we are of that universal/main audio target as more easy we will acomplish/arrives to our personal MUSIC/audio targets.

That main target is not my personal goal is the AUDIO goal with out any gentleman name on it.

It's a target that is the bench-mark to compare where we are " seated " and to look which of our personal goals are not yet accomplished.
Against what are we comparing if our " system up-grades " were really " up-grades " and not only more of the same but in different way?

We all need a universal audio bench-mark.  Maybe you did not ! ! ? ? ?

R.

Dear @prof 1 @uberwaltz @orpheus10 :.

Target: stay nearer to the recording and you/prof. posted:

"" That’s perfectly fine of course FOR YOU ... "

you said to orpheus that " opened his mind " and why don’t you do it?

the main/primary target for any audiophile must be that followed by the MUSIC enjoyment.
It’s not my target but the target for any one likes to listen through any kind of home audio system.

prof 1: " But there was some character to the vinyl playback that struck MY EARS as being very organic, spacious, with wonderful texture and presence and warmth. """

you are totally wrong with all those adjectives but presence because live MUSIC just does not performs in that way that only exist in a wasted dream/imagination BECAUSE the recording microphones are " seated " at nearfield from the MUSIC source 1m-3m and that’s what is in the recording ( other than recorder gentleman " manipulations to the micro signal. ) and if you experienced live MUSIC seated at near field position the no one of those adjectives could any one experienced with.

So you like to live a lie, fine with you that’s what you like it. Fine with me.

If other people young or not to young think that vinyl is superior to today digital alternative that’s only by their ignorance MUSIC/audio levels.

And here I can tell you " that’s perfectly for you " but not for all when the target I posted is for all but ignorants bordering in the stupidity. Facts is the name of the game and you have no single fact other that " I like it ": so what?, is wrong.

I still am in analog because Iown 6K+ LPs but I’m not so stupid to try to " close " the sun with a finger saying that digital is inferior when even all human been hear through an ADC at our inner ear ! !

Yes, you could think I’m ignorant or maybe stupid but come here and with facts tell me ( facts no: bla, bla, bla, as you always did. ) where I’m absolutely wrong.

What are doing people/analog lovers as many of you or reviewers as MF other than spreading all over the young and not so young audiophiles: LIES with no facts.

There is no LPs come back sales as many of you and reviewers shout every day.
What exist is a CORRUPTED scam coming from the LPs sources where over 90% of what they offer ( as " new ". ) are only re-issues in several and different ways:

180gr. version, 200grs version, 45rpm version, master recording copy version, one side LP version, UHQR version, japanese version..., DMM version...,, one step version, etc, etc

VERSIONs from the same old recordings and we stupid audiophiles followed their scam buying everything they have.

And yes we all are happy and yes I bougth some of those versions. Incredible I did it many times ! ! !

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

Dear @prof 1 : "  Tube amps can give some pleasant distortion that some people really like... "

yes as LPs too or any phono cartridge or a SUT but that's not what I'm talking about.

I don't care what I like or any one likes through a room/system but my target is to stay NEARER TO THE RECORDING no MATTERS WHAT. Tubes never put me nearer to the recording just can't do it. Tube alternative is full of limitations agains a good solid state design.

Btw, @uberwaltz , I'm not a player and I don't care about. I only care of the listen experiences in a home room/audio system.

R.

Dear @freediver  : It's not only to have enough $$budget for the analog rig or all the " inconveniences " analog has against digital or your self training on analog that will take almost years to be " there " but what about the software/LPs.

How many do you own?  300-500 hundred? because with out software the rigth software you just are totally out no matters what.

My take is that forget about LPs that can't really gives you nothing that today digital can for a lot less money and with out that " inconveniences ", but is up to you.

Btw, I'm a MUSIC lover and listen both alternatives: digital and analog.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.