Vintage DD turntables. Are we living dangerously?


I have just acquired a 32 year old JVC/Victor TT-101 DD turntable after having its lesser brother, the TT-81 for the last year.
TT-101
This is one of the great DD designs made at a time when the giant Japanese electronics companies like Technics, Denon, JVC/Victor and Pioneer could pour millions of dollars into 'flagship' models to 'enhance' their lower range models which often sold in the millions.
Because of their complexity however.......if they malfunction.....parts are 'unobtanium'....and they often cannot be repaired.
halcro

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The Victor TT101 is a completely different beast - have one that is partially overhauled, the complexity of this is quite unique.  That plus the electronics are mounted on a flimsy large PCB with a myriad of wire jumpers.  Most errors on these have been cracked PCB lanes when conferring with JP, our resident TT101 Expert :-)  somewhere further up this thread I have made a list of suitable transistor replacements for it and have some of the un-obtanium IC's as well should anyone need any - had to buy 10 of them.    

I'm hoping to get it working sometime but there is just too much to do 

Good Listening

Peter


Bestgroove,

You certainly have your work cut out for you :-)  JP knows quite a bit more about these than I do.  On vinyl engine theres a complete service manual available for download. Your photo only shows the electronics in the Bezzel, they main PCB is located below the motor and its with this large semi circular one the most issues have been, mostly with cracked PCB lanes.

Once I get mine spinning correctly Ill make a Plinth for it, but because of the original design of this Ill keep it in its original "UFO" shell.  Ill make sure to post pictures once I get it built so you can atlas get some ideas of how to make yours.

Best of Luck


Peter
Best Groove,

Lewm has stock of one of the unobtanium IC, I have of the other, so should you need one I can help too.

Best of Luck


Peter
I have a TT101 partially restored - still have a few quirks in the electronics, cosmetically however it is fully restored.  Must get this done soon so I can hear what this can do compared to the other "heavies"  SP10MK2 , 3 and the Higher End Denon's DP80, DP100 and the mighty DN308 - which I consider to be at the very top of the heap :-)

http://pbnaudio.com/audio-turntables/vintage-direct-professional/dn308

http://pbnaudio.com/audio-turntables/vintage-direct-professional/dp80

https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/4909

Good Listening


Peter
Lohanimal,

does the platter spin if you turn it by hand ?  if not then possibly it may only need a upwards or downwards adjustment on the screw at the bottom of the bearing, this is fairly easy to do.

Sorry for your bad luck

Good Listening

Peter
Have had several of them - its a very nice machine - A thingap motor run by a industrial servo controller placed inside the motor unit. The ones I've had have all been slightly fast and adjustment is only possible via software.

The motor it self looks very similar to the one pictured next to the TG231X specs in this link http://www.thingap.com/standard-products/

Both Platter and Bearing on the VPI are VERY substantial,  the bearing it self is the standard VPI Inverted bearing.  

Good Listening

Peter
The VPI is a very substantial table, It would not be fair for me to state how it compares to the ones I make - obviously I'm biased :-)  

I'd state its comparable to the DP80 http://pbnaudio.com/audio-turntables/vintage-direct-professional/dp80 and the DP7 http://pbnaudio.com/audio-turntables/groovemaster-vintage-direct/pbn-dp7

As far as the DN308 - IMO there is nothing that compares to it :-)

http://pbnaudio.com/audio-turntables/vintage-direct-professional/dn308  


Good Listening

Peter
http://hifiheaven.net/shop/Phoenix-Engineering-RoadRunner-Tachometer-for-all-Turntables

I install these in my DP80 and DN308 rebuilds - they display to the third decimal point.  Whats the point of building a super accurate turntable if one cannot show it :-)  

http://pbnaudio.com/audio-turntables/vintage-direct-professional/dn308

I could not help but notice that a very popular BD table with two platters have a similar display device - it however only display with one decimal point :-) :-) :-) 

I have the Time line too use it at shows to demonstrate the accuracy of the GrooveMaster Vintage Direct Tables

Good Listening 

Peter
Richard

I believe the timeline shoots four pulses per revolution so it will be every 90 degrees - however if there is any deviation what so ever in speed in between the pulses it will be impossible for the dot to appear at the exact same spot over and over and over again.

The Roadrunner that I install in the DP80/DN308 machines use a magnet thats mounted on the perimeter of the platter, it passes over a sensor thats mounted to the plinth, a very precise oscillator/clock times the time it takes for the magnet to reappear at the sensor then calculates the precise PRM that's displayed.   

The method that the electronic one that Mikey use I believe you replay a record with a 3150Hz tone recorded into it the the reproduced signal is listened to with a microphone and how accurate the 3150Hz tone is reproduced makes for the speed accuracy calculation - this probably is the most accurate method IMO if the 3150hz test tone in the record is a steady 3150Hz tone.

Halcro I'll try to do a video of the DP80 soon - I only have a one tonearm setup.  Once I get another DN308 complete Ill do one of that one too, this possibly I could do with two arms, I still have two donors ready to be assembled - currently I'm sold out :-) these latest two will make a total of 8 units of this fabulous machines rebuilt/retrofitted. 

Good Listening

Peter
Ok Videos uploaded on Facebook on our home page PBN Audio Shows the GrooveMaster Vintage Direct DP80 with a SME 310 carrying a Ortofon MC Anna VTF 2.6 Gm playing an entire album side in this case 17 minutes and 28 seconds.  The Timeline dot is 26 feet away from the turntable center - in the 17minutes and 28 seconds the dot moves about 3 inches forward , progressively , probably indicative of the 33.334 speed indicated by the Roadrunner Tachometer.  Don't know how to calculate this but I'm certainly sure it is well within specs :-)

Once I get a DN308 online again Ill do the same experiment

Good Listening 

Peter   
Lewm

The road runner is only for display - it has no control purpose - I opted for the inclusion the Roadrunner in the 308 because it has no strobe, keeping the DP80 in the Pro line I included it in that too, eliminating the strobe.

Good Listening

Peter
Vinyl engine has the service manual for free download - there is a complete parts list in it.

Good Listening

Peter
You can buy all of them at sources like Digikey or Mouser Electronics, both have reliable supply of quality brands like Nichicon for an example - buy the high reliability 105'C ones.  Don't get too hyped up about what "brand" to use Nicihcon is a very high quality capacitor.  It'll be impossible to make a list without a sample of the TT101 at hand as the LS (Lead Spacing) and physical size of the caps are needed to get the "right" capacitor to fit on the PCB  

Here is a link to 5806 choices of Nichicon Capacitors at Mouser

https://www.mouser.com/Nichicon/Passive-Components/Capacitors/Aluminum-Electrolytic-Capacitors/Alumi... 

Best of Luck

Peter
Best Grove 

Are you looking for a TT101 to use for parts for your TT101 - the motor in mine is working fine the control system still have some issues that I have not had the time to sort out - probably won't for quite some time - make me an offer.

Thanks

Peter