I have to agree with Frankt88. I've had CJ gear, Rogue, Bruce Moore, McIntosh, Etc. and I am currently listening to a Bogen DB230 integrated and I would have to be honest and say that for the money, it's one hell of a sonic competitor. I think the bass is surprisingly focused and resonant, the detail is a bit lacking compared to previous expensive audiophile builds, and the soundstage is modest, but if you can get your hands on an updated piece (new caps, resistors, wires, etc) I think you may be surprised- I know I was. I am still adapting to this thing- so many tubes, so many dials and gadgets (I prefered the CJ CAV 50 for years) it has odd power tubes and I have yet to roll the 12ax7's, but I feel somehow vindicated in combining this piece with Triangle Titan 202's for a sonically delicious budget system- and I have put together dozens of combos...could I wipe this by spending 3 grand- most likely, it's how I always did it in the past: $1500 on the amp, $1500 on the speakers, but for less that $500 used for both- I can't help but feel a bit smug. Lastly, if jazz is your thing, I think this combo has unique magic, scary good with the old 60's Bop stuff.