vaporware


Here is a new spin on "vaporware". I have discovered 2 cdr copies
that are no longer playable. One is a year old the other 4 years. I
use the best media and factories, when choosing blank media and
store all of my media in optimal temp away from UV light.

I have not gone through all of my CDRs to determind if others are
unreadable but this is a disturbing turn of events.

After recording on DAT for 13 years, I have had little to no
problems. Luckly, I have the master DAT for the 2 lost CDRs. But, if
I didn't, "vaporware"!

This is not good. Has anyone else had this problem? If so, I believe
as consumers we are being duped and have a legitament beef with the
industry.

Also, it may be a "real" reason for us not to leave behind magnetic
media. I know this was the complaint when people were jumping from
analog to digital and the catastrophic loss with DAT but at least
DAT last a lot longer than CDR's. At least that is what my
experience has been so far. I have DAT tapes that are 13 years old
and play back with 0 errors.

Other's feedback is appreciated. However, please remember that all my
media is optimally choosen and stored. I've been at this game for
too long to make a "rookie" mistake.

For more information on CDR's see www.cdmediaworld.com
ramstl

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T.Y. is my main brand. Again, I use the best media and storage possible.

This problem is well spread and not limited to brand type.

Warning, "do not expect to use CDR as a media form". As for analog tape, well, there are many reports of shredding and baking to save the tape for one last pass."
I have been recording "live" performances in the feild for 20 years or more. The last 13 years on DAT, which would include some 2,500 hours on over 1,500 DAT tapes. That is a fair representation when creating a statistical baseline as for the reliabilty of DAT tape.

DSS tapes are known to not last as long as Audio DAT. Whether it is due computer drives rewinding and forwarding way more often than an audio tape or less QA I don't know or care. It's not the point!

As for magnetic R to R, well, it just not feasible for in the field recording and again that is not the point of the post. Your preaching to the chior!

The point is this: The industry has sold you a 30 year roof which leaks and is falling apart after the first year. Now, we can "blame the victims" or we can create a large enough voice so that this shame "vaporware" is exposed.

Do you think people would be buying CDR's if in large print it stated, "We can not accept any responsibility for the longevity of the burned media. It has been determind that within a year's time your recordings may no longer be playable and further for proper storage you sould back everything to DAT, R to R, cassette or better yet "vinyl"?

I don't think so!

If that were the case I would be buying stock in companies that manufacture cassette decks!

Where, oh where, are the Ralph Naders?
If you have further interest in problems with CDR's go to www.oade.com and look into the taper's forum. I have posted my concerns there and there is the possibility to begin a data base containing manufacturers of CDR's and failure rate. This information can then be used in order to lobby the FTC if needed.
Mitsu are prone to pealing, since they do not use a protective layer. At least that is what has been reported by many people who have used them extensively.

Vist www.oade.com for further information. You should go to their tapers discussion page for further reports.

Many have stopped using them due to this problem.
One was made on a computer and the other was made on a Marantz CDR 630. Neither of the problems are related to the recorders. Too many people have had problems with blank CDR's using a wide variety of machines to blame a specific machine.

Maxell's are made by TY. Maxell does not manufacture their own CDR's.

All of my CDR's are recorded at "real" time. However, reports indicate that 4X may be better. Who knows or cares at this point!

I will continue to burn for trade but it has become apparent that I will need to look into a real arcival medium. But, that will have to wait until I can afford around $100,000 or so in order to but a tube R-R and lots of Ampex!
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